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Author:  tommy [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Hatchetman wrote:
tommy wrote:
outside of certain parameters which everyone agrees on, it doesn't matter who is doing the speaking.


care to elaborate?

yeah, incitement and so forth. the things that are never really protected, whether the court tends to the liberal or conservative.

Author:  tommy [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.

Author:  tommy [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Hatchetman wrote:
It doesn't appear that everyone can agree upon anything.

well, i'm not an etc., but the courts seem to uphold the first amendment and are pretty clear about what rights we don't have. i think. (????)

as far as ethics, that's different.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.


Yep.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.


Correct. Simply spouting off Nazi principles is not a threat. The burden for "incitement" should - rightly - be an extremely high one.

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

rogers park bryan wrote:
I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.


Might have to be outside on the sidewalk as I assume Penn Station is private property?

Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 am ]
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All Nazi's should be killed.

Author:  Douchebag [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
All Nazi's should be killed.

Yup.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:30 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote:
All Nazi's should be killed.


See? Not a threat. Protected speech.

Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:51 am ]
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^Sympathizer

Author:  OldNavyPreacher [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

good dolphin wrote:
Let's take it out of the realm where most can identify:

The Old Navy Preacher says some hateful stuff against homosexuals, right up to the point of saying they should die in this life. Would you protect someone punching him?


Come at the king, you best not miss. You can't go to heaven being a homosexual sea mammal!

Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

OldNavyPreacher wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Let's take it out of the realm where most can identify:

The Old Navy Preacher says some hateful stuff against homosexuals, right up to the point of saying they should die in this life. Would you protect someone punching him?


Come at the king, you best not miss. You can't go to heaven being a homosexual sea mammal!


Preacher, I like to watch the videos on http://blacked.com. Am I going to hell too?

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Caller Bob wrote:
^Sympathizer


Synthesizer
Sennheiser
Schoenweis

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN

Author:  Nas [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Author:  Nas [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


I completely agree with you, Dan.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


It doesn't help when there are so many people willing to label someone a Nazi. It gets similar play to "racist" or "bigot."

Author:  Nas [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

leashyourkids wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


It doesn't help when there are so many people willing to label someone a Nazi. It gets similar play to "racist" or "bigot."


No it doesn't. It's not even close. In fact white supremacist is WAY ahead of it.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.

It's absolutely a thing right now with extreme leftists. It never was before. Im not really concerned with the other side.

Author:  Hatchetman [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......

Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Author:  pittmike [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


Punch whitey! There ya have it. Its right there for ya.

Author:  Nas [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


All people get compared to the Jordan of Nazis but very few people call someone a Nazi.

Author:  Caller Bob [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Nas wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


All people get compared to the Jordan of Nazis but very few people call someone a Nazi.


Fascists buy shoes too!

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher

Caller Bob wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Agreed, because we really didnt.

People want to use their own personal definitions for these terms but they are what they are. Racism requires power. White Supremacy actions and White supremacist beliefs/Bigotry do not.

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