This country needs to chill with the jingoism. I got bitched at a couple years back at a Sox game because I didn't put my hand over my heart during the anthem.

On a side note, I heard that the Dallas Cowboys were denied by the NFL when they requested putting a sticker on their helmets to honor the fallen Dallas police officers.

Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole

And you would get your answer if you read my last sentence of my previous post.

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If you were a millionaire I would question why you haven't yet moved to a place where there are no issues then.

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That isn't really an answer though.

If you truly don't have pride in America it isn't simply about one issue, and if it is then you would be better served not making it a global issue with words and terminology like that.

It goes into what pride means. It doesn't mean you agree with 100% of everything that happens or that things can't be improved. It does however mean that you view your country favorably and feel that in general it is good. If you don't feel that our country is in general good and you have the resources to do it why not find a country that you do consider good?

We should compare this to the Lebron-Wade-Paul-perennial playoff disappointment Carmelo and how they made a good strong and clear message that conveys exactly what most people should agree with without turning it into a referendum on the country and a whole and the people who made and continue to make sacrifices every day for it.

Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.

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If you were a millionaire I would question why you haven't yet moved to a place where there are no issues then.

What is this doing though? Did a subpar backup QB need to create a pseudo controversy to point out there are race issues in America? Its boring and lazy. Do something constructive with your "celebrity" and your millions of dollars.

This country needs to chill with the jingoism. I got bitched at a couple years back at a Sox game because I didn't put my hand over my heart during the anthem.

Anyone want to put an over under on how many times Kaepernick refuses to stand for the anthem this season? I'm going to put it at 2.5 games.

Do you personally feel oppressed?

CK: There have been situations where I feel like I’ve been ill-treated, yes. This stand wasn’t for me. This stand wasn’t because I feel like I’m being put down in any kind of way. This is because I’m seeing things happen to people that don’t have a voice, people that don’t have a platform to talk and have their voices heard, and effect change. So I’m in the position where I can do that and I’m going to do that for people that can’t.

Are you concerned that this can be seen as a blanket indictment of law enforcement in general?

CK: There is police brutality. People of color have been targeted by police. So that’s a large part of it and they’re government officials. They are put in place by the government. So that’s something that this country has to change. There’s things we can do to hold them more accountable. Make those standards higher. You have people that practice law and are lawyers and go to school for eight years, but you can become a cop in six months and don’t have to have the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. That’s insane. Someone that’s holding a curling iron has more education and more training than people that have a gun and are going out on the street to protect us.

Do you want to expand on that?

CK: You have Hillary who has called black teens or black kids super predators, you have Donald Trump who’s openly racist. We have a presidential candidate who has deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn’t make sense to me because if that was any other person you’d be in prison. So, what is this country really standing for?

What would be a success?

CK: That’s a tough question because there’s a lot of things that need to change, a lot of different issues that need to be addressed. That’s something that it’s really hard to lock down one specific thing that needs to change currently.

I would think he would either stand for it the rest of the season or sit for it the rest of the season. He's gonna look silly if he only does it a few games in a row and then stops.

If we are getting into what pride means, it's silly for guys like you and I to even discuss it in relation to America. We didn't really do anything good or bad to effect how America is today. It's like saying you take pride in the Chicago Cubs being great. It makes no sense.

But again, your response is a terrible one because you're basically dismissing any type of criticism and saying LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. I would likely find issues to be critical of wherever I live, because we can and should always be doing better, and there is far from an ideal society anywhere in the world. So, it's ridiculous to suggest any rich person needs to just leave the country if they are currently unhappy with it.

Can someone explain the purpose of this "social custom" of standing in unison to recite a patriotic song, and then why someone refusing to do that is seen as a personal slight against those in the immediate area and/or others of a specific group (law enforcement, military members, veterans of combat, etc.)? Then, can you explain why it makes sense in your brain to shame those that would dissent from such tradition, in this country with its history and relationship with protests of all kinds, into complicity?

I respect the opportunities and options this country has provided me and the relatives that came before me and I would not choose to live in any other country.

I'm not dismissing any type of criticism. I am dismissing a criticism that is a global one like not having pride in the country because there are issues. Every country on Earth has issues but that doesn't mean you choose to say you have no pride in your country and if you do and you have economic mobility then why not find a country that you can be proud of?

I actually agree with a lot of the BLM platform but I still find a way to be proud of my country.

It's ok to wonder why someone chooses to stay where they do when they clearly have the ability to go elsewhere. If I hated the state I lived in and complained about it I wouldn't be shocked when someone said "Why not go someplace you will be happier at?". Somehow, when someone suggests the same for countries people act like you are saying some shocking thing.

I would think he would either stand for it the rest of the season or sit for it the rest of the season. He's gonna look silly if he only does it a few games in a row and then stops. Doing it as a one time thing is understandable and he can easily justify it by saying he made his statement but doesn't want it to be a season long distraction.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

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His contract is guaranteed, he has nothing to lose here. He will be receiving more than $11M no matter what.

#Patriot

It seems to me that you think "I don't have pride in my country" is equal to "I hate my country", since you've made that switch more than once in this conversation. What is your issue with someone saying they have no pride in their country? Why do you think anybody who lives here should feel compelled to have pride in our country? That's the type of weird Soviet Union type of mentality that we should be better than.

I just don't agree with Kaerpernick's term of "oppression". The US obviously has issues with race, but I think saying that the US oppresses people of color is extreme.

I have no issue with Kaepernick's decision to protest by sitting down during the national anthem. I believe you should have that right to protest in that manner. I just don't agree with Kaerpernick's term of "oppression". The US obviously has issues with race, but I think saying that the US oppresses people of color is extreme. When i think of oppressive societies I think of North Korea, Cuba, China. Or places in the past like East Germany, where people would risk their lives to flee the country.

I think it is hard to have a discussion about issues when people take such extreme viewpoints.

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This is very close to Bernstein's "just move", in my opinion.

His family lives here. His friends live here. He grew up here. He has roots here. He pays taxes here. It's probably not as simple as "just moving." It would make much more sense, even from a practical standpoint, to try to affect change positively in the U.S.

I have no issue with Kaepernick's decision to protest by sitting down during the national anthem. I believe you should have that right to protest in that manner. I just don't agree with Kaerpernick's term of "oppression". The US obviously has issues with race, but I think saying that the US oppresses people of color is extreme. When i think of oppressive societies I think of North Korea, Cuba, China. Or places in the past like East Germany, where people would risk their lives to flee the country.

I think it is hard to have a discussion about issues when people take such extreme viewpoints.