I'm not saying it's the reason to leave Chicago, but those who defend Chicago try to then paint the Southern and Western cities that people leave for as hotbeds for racism and discrimination when their own city is best case, no better for racial relations than these growing southern cities, and quite possibly even worse than them in those regards. You can see why I think it's a bullshit argument to stain these growing southern metropolises as being racist.

That is why I bring it up. Chicagoans act like their city is one of racial harmony because they didn't have slaves 160 years ago. Guess what, most of the people populating these growing southern cities came from Northern cities so I'm guessing they aren't wannabe confederates either.

The problem is you are using one statistic, that varies based on the study methodology significantly, to make a complete comparison. The South has a well deserved reputation for how minorities are treated. A study that says that Milwaukee, Chicago, and New York are more segregated than the large cities in the South doesn't change that. You seem to be pulling back now though which is good. Racism is a problem in every single place in America now. It is worse in some places. I'll be fairly content in saying that in general though racism is more of an issue in your average Southern area than it is in Chicago regardless of the segregation study which more often than not is a reflection of income inequality rather than some inherent racism. That's why NYC ranks so highly on those lists too even though clearly in terms of inclusion and diversity it is better than just about anywhere.

I don't know if you can't read? But discrimination isn't just about race...

They have the 2nd best zoo in the country, College World Series, the Missouri River, and a nice downtown. Douchebag should take a trip there.

Brick have you ever lived in the south?

Chicagoans act like their city is one of racial harmony

The problem is you are using one statistic, that varies based on the study methodology significantly, to make a complete comparison. The South has a well deserved reputation for how minorities are treated. A study that says that Milwaukee, Chicago, and New York are more segregated than the large cities in the South doesn't change that. You seem to be pulling back now though which is good. Racism is a problem in every single place in America now. It is worse in some places. I'll be fairly content in saying that in general though racism is more of an issue in your average Southern area than it is in Chicago regardless of the segregation study which more often than not is a reflection of income inequality rather than some inherent racism. That's why NYC ranks so highly on those lists too even though clearly in terms of inclusion and diversity it is better than just about anywhere.

No.

If you are thinking down here you better get to it,running out of land and old places to tear down to build new stuff. Fucking rent is outrageous in Tampa itself, over on this side of the bay it is not that bad yet

If you're talking about people living where they can afford, that's not discrimination, that's economics.

Real Estate value are set by supply vs demand (with location being the primary driver in the demand factor) so naturally rich people will live in neighborhoods they can afford and poor people will live where they can afford. Perhaps Chicago real estate prices will fall as people leave.

I am not moving South. We enjoy the four seasons and love the midwest. In no way I am cheering for Illinois to fail. We'd like to live in a more rural setting near water and also in a place with a more permanent winter snow pack (for snowmobiling).

Illinois has massive governance issues. At some point the hammer is going to fall. We're up to $14B behind on our bills, well over $100B in upside down pensions, the 2nd highest property taxes (behind NJ), the highest sales tax rate, a $6B annual budget deficit, and $35B in debt outstanding. It's such an unsustainable situation. For as high as taxes are, it is incredible that we are in such a deep hole. It's not a sole reason to move away, but it is a good reason to not invest more money in the state via a retirement home. The stagnation of property prices and population are early warning signs of what looks to be a longer term, slow decline.

No, I am referring to "religious freedom" dictating when I'm allowed to buy beer or acting like the world will end if two gay dudes get married.

The problem is you are using one statistic, that varies based on the study methodology significantly, to make a complete comparison. The South has a well deserved reputation for how minorities are treated. A study that says that Milwaukee, Chicago, and New York are more segregated than the large cities in the South doesn't change that. You seem to be pulling back now though which is good. Racism is a problem in every single place in America now. It is worse in some places. I'll be fairly content in saying that in general though racism is more of an issue in your average Southern area than it is in Chicago regardless of the segregation study which more often than not is a reflection of income inequality rather than some inherent racism. That's why NYC ranks so highly on those lists too even though clearly in terms of inclusion and diversity it is better than just about anywhere.

No, I am referring to "religious freedom" dictating when I'm allowed to buy beer or acting like the world will end if two gay dudes get married.

Sounds like you want to move to Minnesota.

the plan is to go bankrupt and have the rest of you chumps bail us out.

You joke, but that seems to be the only way Illinois gets fixed, and Madigan knows it. Either that or he keeps the charade going and the fiscal time bomb goes off after he's dead.

Trump really wants to drain the swamp and burn it to the ground. Assign a special investigation/prosecutor on the looting of the Social Security System by Congress and by extension the looting of the pension funds in all levels in Illinois. See a lot of people going to jail,especially the two Madigains. I mean honestly if they had done this in the real business would would they have not been brought up on either charges like Madoff or Enron?

The Illinois pension weren't. The required contributions weren't made or were funded by issuing debt. There are a few problems with double dipping and bad practices of allowing workers to load up overtime and vacation days in their final year to earn an out sized pension (i.e. higher than their final salary), but those were allowable in the rules.

Social security is another matter. It is nearly a paygo system. Any private pension would have been declared insolvent if it followed Social Security's rules. Private pensions start triggering warnings at 80% funded ratio. Social Security may be about 5% funded and with treasury bonds to boot.

Nobody cares.

I was thinking about moving down there, but there is not one property available in all of Del Boca Vista.

Trump really wants to drain the swamp and burn it to the ground.

Are you trying to keep us OUT of Del Boca Vista?

i have no idea who lives there. what i meant was (etc.)


i have friends in omaha, though, and it's a great place

The CPS pensions where borrowed from.

But for anyone in the market for a suburban home, Pulte is great. They have excellent end to end customer service, and it is the best built home I have ever owned. Next to zero problems in my 13 years of ownership. I get tons of compliments on the design too.