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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:45 pm 
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Sounds like denis and his subdivision don't want to pay their fair share.

SAD!


Right you shit stirrer! :D

The appeals board agreed with me.


I did the same thing and had the taxes lowered 3 times.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:48 pm 
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As I alluded to earlier, I'm with BRick on this one.

Scenario A: Dennis's house is assessed at 400k and comparable properties are at 300k. He is well within his rights (including morally) to appeal to get the assessment in line with the others.

Sceanrio B: Dennis's house is assessed at 400k but so are all his neighbors' comparable houses. He is somehow able to get his assessment lowered to 300k, which ultimately puts more burden on the neighbors.

I read the original post as Scenario B.
That is how I read it too.

It also does take up a significant amount of resources to do it every year.

But hey, FF and Bob declared me to be wrong and I guess that means it is true!

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It also does take up a significant amount of resources to do it every year.

And every time the person wins the appeal it pretty much proves they were correct to do it. You simply have no good rebuttal to that. If you have one beyond just repeating yourself a dozen times in a row feel free to share it.

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Sounds like denis and his subdivision don't want to pay their fair share.

SAD!


Right you shit stirrer! :D

The appeals board agreed with me.


I did the same thing and had the taxes lowered 3 times.
I was involved with one too.

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Your entire argument originally centered around shorting the state municipalities $$$$.

Please tell me this is a fucking "bit".


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:53 pm 
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Poor Denis. It's gotta be rough to learn one afternoon that you're everything wrong with the state of Illinois

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The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.

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denisdman wrote:
The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.


You did nothing wrong. Brick is just doing his usual "shit starting" routine, as I'm sure you have become accustomed to.


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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 1:58 pm 
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FavreFan wrote:
Poor Denis. It's gotta be rough to learn one afternoon that you're everything wrong with the state of Illinois


Haha thanks. Yeah I am saddened by this development. It's like when I learned my home builder was shit despite 13 years of direct experience to the contrary. I'd actually be concerned if certain contrarians agreed with me.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It also does take up a significant amount of resources to do it every year.

And every time the person wins the appeal it pretty much proves they were correct to do it. You simply have no good rebuttal to that. If you have one beyond just repeating yourself a dozen times in a row feel free to share it.
There are many reasons why an appeal gets granted. It may not be worth the resources to fight against it. It could be that the decision makers on the appeal board almost always say yes to an appeal. Cook County get 400k appeals every year.

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denisdman wrote:
The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.
See, now this is a good way to explain it rather than what you did in the first post which was basically "I pay 30% less than my neighbors".

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It also does take up a significant amount of resources to do it every year.

And every time the person wins the appeal it pretty much proves they were correct to do it. You simply have no good rebuttal to that. If you have one beyond just repeating yourself a dozen times in a row feel free to share it.
There are many reasons why an appeal gets granted. It may not be worth the resources to fight against it. It could be that the decision makers on the appeal board almost always say yes to an appeal. Cook County get 400k appeals every year.

Looks like your speculation here is wrong

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The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.

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denisdman wrote:
The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.


You did nothing wrong. Brick is just doing his usual "shit starting" routine, as I'm sure you have become accustomed to.


Of course not. I followed the rules. I've owned a home since 1999. I appealed three times in those years and won each time. I was proven right.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Tribune
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FavreFan wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It also does take up a significant amount of resources to do it every year.

And every time the person wins the appeal it pretty much proves they were correct to do it. You simply have no good rebuttal to that. If you have one beyond just repeating yourself a dozen times in a row feel free to share it.
There are many reasons why an appeal gets granted. It may not be worth the resources to fight against it. It could be that the decision makers on the appeal board almost always say yes to an appeal. Cook County get 400k appeals every year.

Looks like your speculation here is wrong

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The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.
Well yeah, he completely changed from his first post.

I have no problem with the new way he explained it.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
The first year I appealed, house prices had dropped about 20%, but the assessor actually said values went up. The entire neighborhood was completely Mis-assessed. At my hearing the Kane County review board asked the assessor why they hadn't fixed it. The assessor replied that they didn't have time to do it.

You only win your appeal when the facts support your case. Meaning I had comparable sales data that showed FMV. They design the system. I just did what was required to prove my case.
See, now this is a good way to explain it rather than what you did in the first post which was basically "I pay 30% less than my neighbors".


I did that because that is exactly what the Trib article found. The assessment and appeal system is broken. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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denisdman wrote:
I did that because that is exactly what the Trib article found. The assessment and appeal system is broken. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Yeah. I read your first post that you were paying 30% less than what your home would be a comparison to in your neighborhood because you appealed every year.

If your house is currently taxed at the rate that you would put it up for sale on the market then I have no problem with what you did.

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If the assessment system worked, I wouldn't have needed to appeal. And once I appeal it screws my neighbors in a relative sense. The system sucks. I want to pay my fair share, and that's what I paid.

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If you really are bailing for Minnesota, you should know that it's the opposite of a libertarian paradise. The state-level Democratic Party is still nominally socialist (Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party).

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If the assessment system worked, I wouldn't have needed to appeal. And once I appeal it screws my neighbors in a relative sense. The system sucks. I want to pay my fair share, and that's what I paid.


That's the problem with the system. You can't assume it will self-correct, or else you'll be the sucker who is overpaying relative to your neighbors.

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I'm highly suspicious that his house is worth 30% less than his neighbors.



It is a Pulte.


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I am in the Twin Cities right now funny enough. We're probably going to buy land and build in Wisconsin. I'd prefer MN, but my wife wants to be closer to home.

There is no Libetarian paradise for me to go to unless that group is successful in NH. It's ok. People love government.

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Well, government has traditionally been a force for good in Minnesota, not like Chicago where it's just shit-toothed Irishmen bilking the state out of money so their fuckup nephews can have do-nothing jobs. It's the Norwegian influence, I'm sure. It was one of the only two states I initially thought would go for Bernie in the primary. I was only off by 20!

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