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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:27 pm 
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Back in like 2010 when he got Obamacare passed, people questioned if it would just be repealed in the future. His response was, by the time 2016 came around (Obamacare in full effect) the market would be strong enough that it would withstand any opposition.

He was right 8)

The gop is now faced with tweaking Obamacare, because they obviously can't replace it, or face the inevitable- universal healthcare.

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It's going to be here a long time. It's better than what we had before but it's not perfect. How about both dems/repubs working together to fix and tweak it , but that'll never happen.


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IkeSouth wrote:
:His response was, by the time 2016 came around (Obamacare in full effect) the market would be strong enough that it would withstand any opposition.

He was right


He was wrong though...the market is in shambles. I keep my fingers crossed that BCBS drops out of Obamacare and then my employer will be forced to adjust pricing.


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the Affordable Care Act was never meant to be the Alpha and Omega for healthcare in the You Ess n Ehh. Baked-in flaws intended to lead to its repeal/replacement by the only form of health-care provision that makes sense and works for everyone without bankrupting sick patients: non-profit single-payer.


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Hussra wrote:
the Affordable Care Act was never meant to be the Alpha and Omega for healthcare in the You Ess n Ehh. Baked-in flaws intended to lead to its repeal/replacement by the only form of health-care provision that makes sense and works for everyone without bankrupting sick patients: non-profit single-payer.


And the "brilliant" Democrats were under the assumption that their chosen guy, Hillary Clinton, would be in charge so he could take credit for fixing things...ah, how naive they were (and still are)...


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likemarsen wrote:
I keep my fingers crossed that BCBS drops out of Obamacare and then my employer will be forced to adjust pricing.

Your employer will fuck you either way.

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likemarsen wrote:
Hussra wrote:
the Affordable Care Act was never meant to be the Alpha and Omega for healthcare in the You Ess n Ehh. Baked-in flaws intended to lead to its repeal/replacement by the only form of health-care provision that makes sense and works for everyone without bankrupting sick patients: non-profit single-payer.


And the "brilliant" Democrats were under the assumption that their chosen guy, Hillary Clinton, would be in charge so he could take credit for fixing things...ah, how naive they were (and still are)...


Republicans had seven years to come up with a plan, and it's still about Hillary? :lol:

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This is completely false.
1) The ACA turned out to be nothing like what Obama campaigned....the campaign promise was "we are going to offer the same healthcare coverage that Federal employees receive"
2) The ACA that actually went in was designed to fail and bring-on a single payer system. The problem is, it's failing way sooner than they planned.
3) You calling something a success with no regard to the COST impact to taxpayers. Yes, It provided (forced) healthcare coverage to those that chose not to have healthcare as well as those who couldn't afford it and those that couldn't get it. The cost of this has been paid by taxpayers and increased federal deficit. Employer provided healthcare has seen ZERO reduction while insurance companies have made out beautifully. I'm sorry...that's not a success.
4) The GOP has shit all over themselves given their opportunity to repeal. They will cost themselves the White House and the Legislative branch as the ACA continues. Their failure to kill it or replace it means they now own it...and it's nothing anyone should want to own.

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Chus wrote:
Republicans had seven years to come up with a plan, and it's still about Hillary? :lol:



To the Democrats it still is about Hillary since they expected ACA to fail while Hillary was President so that he could and the Democrats could swoop in and "fix" the problem...


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likemarsen wrote:
Chus wrote:
Republicans had seven years to come up with a plan, and it's still about Hillary? :lol:



To the Democrats it still is about Hillary since they expected ACA to fail while Hillary was President so that he could and the Democrats could swoop in and "fix" the problem...


Republicans have had the House and Senate for MANY years. They have had seven years to come up with a replacement. Trump said he would fix it on day one.

Neither Hillary, nor the Democrats are in charge. It's time to stop talking about her.

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likemarsen wrote:
Hussra wrote:
the Affordable Care Act was never meant to be the Alpha and Omega for healthcare in the You Ess n Ehh. Baked-in flaws intended to lead to its repeal/replacement by the only form of health-care provision that makes sense and works for everyone without bankrupting sick patients: non-profit single-payer.


And the "brilliant" Democrats were under the assumption that their chosen guy, Hillary Clinton, would be in charge so he could take credit for fixing things...ah, how naive they were (and still are)...



yeah, I can see them thinking that / @hrc17 wanting that; after all, she tried her hand at shepherding health-care reform through during her husband's first term.

Good news for Dems, the guy in the WH currently is more interested in playing patty-cake with Euro-weenies and trolling twitter than getting any substantive health-care reform through Congress.
So Obamacare will still be there and ripe for repeal when Libby Schaaf takes over in 2021.


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wdelaney72 wrote:
This is completely false.
1) The ACA turned out to be nothing like what Obama campaigned....the campaign promise was "we are going to offer the same healthcare coverage that Federal employees receive"
2) The ACA that actually went in was designed to fail and bring-on a single payer system. The problem is, it's failing way sooner than they planned.
3) You calling something a success with no regard to the COST impact to taxpayers. Yes, It provided (forced) healthcare coverage to those that chose not to have healthcare as well as those who couldn't afford it and those that couldn't get it. The cost of this has been paid by taxpayers and increased federal deficit. Employer provided healthcare has seen ZERO reduction while insurance companies have made out beautifully. I'm sorry...that's not a success.
4) The GOP has shit all over themselves given their opportunity to repeal. They will cost themselves the White House and the Legislative branch as the ACA continues. Their failure to kill it or replace it means they now own it...and it's nothing anyone should want to own.


Well that's a pretty spot on assessment. I did hold out hope that the exchanges would work because at least that was a somewhat private market solution. The only part in question now is your bullet point #4.

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WSJ opinion piece on Medicaid.


Return Medicaid to Its Rightful Role

By Frank Keating and Doug Beall

730 words

18 July 2017

The Wall Street Journal

Copyright 2017 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.


Rolling back ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion has become the focal point of the health-care debate, and rightly so. Without fundamental change, Medicaid -- expanded or not -- will push state budgets to the brink even as it fails to help the most financially vulnerable Americans.

Consider Oklahoma, our home state. Despite intense lobbying by hospital corporations, the state Legislature stood strong and refused the Medicaid expansion. But the Medicaid rolls increased anyway, and at a dramatic cost to priorities like education, public safety and transportation.

Like most states, Oklahoma used to spend most of its funds on education. But a few years ago Medicaid's rapidly rising costs pushed it to the top of the budget. Today, Oklahoma spends $5.1 billion a year on Medicaid, more than the $3.4 billion a year for K-12 schools and $942 million a year for higher education combined. Medicaid is now crowding out other state priorities, with real consequences in education and beyond: lower teacher pay, fewer textbooks, deferred road maintenance, fewer mental-health treatment options in the state justice system to prevent incarceration of nonviolent offenders, and -- within the Medicaid program itself -- lower reimbursement rates for doctors.

Something has to give. If policy makers want to preserve a functioning and reliable safety net for low-income citizens with serious health challenges, they must face the fact that Medicaid is failing.

The ObamaCare expansion sent Medicaid's already soaring costs even higher. It dramatically increased spending in states like Illinois, Ohio and Washington, which were lured by temporary federal funds and rosy projections for economic recovery after the 2007-09 recession. What's particularly perverse is that ObamaCare pays states more for the able-bodied adults newly covered under the Medicaid expansion than for people with serious disabilities under the original program.

As Illinois expanded Medicaid, more than 800 people already on the program's waiting list died, according to state documents reviewed by the Foundation for Government Accountability. Even in states that refused the expansion, surging costs have cut people off from care while leaving them still technically "covered."

Medicaid's unsustainable path was paved by the incentives built into its structure, combined with earlier expansions like the State Children's Health Insurance Program, passed in 1997. Oklahoma's share of spending on Medicaid in 2003 was $714 million. By 2016 that had ballooned to $2.1 billion, an increase of 194.1%, according to the Oklahoma Health Care Authority, the agency responsible for administering Medicaid in Oklahoma. No other significant piece of the state budget grew so fast.

Over the same period, enrollment in Oklahoma skyrocketed from just under 500,000 to over a million. This means one-quarter of the state's population is on medical welfare. Medicaid covers 57% of all births in Oklahoma, according to the Oklahoma Health Care Authority. Up to 72% of all children are on Medicaid at some point in their first five years, according to the authority. Government dependency expanded during a period of significant income growth here. Per capita income in Oklahoma grew 70.9%, from $26,720 in 2003 to $45,682 in 2016, according to federal data at the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Part of the problem is that politicians want to score points by getting people "covered." But ObamaCare's monomaniacal focus on coverage has led to shoddier care at higher costs. Today's health-care debate should aim at the opposite: increasing the quality of care, not merely coverage by insurance or welfare.

A start would be refocusing Medicaid on its original mission of caring for the poor and those unable to do it for themselves. That means changing the program's incentives to allow people more responsibility for their own health outcomes. It also means giving states the freedom to explore options like health savings accounts, direct primary care for Medicaid patients, and systems to remove enrollees who abuse the program.

Now is the time for fundamental Medicaid reform -- for the good of every state and the most vulnerable people who depend on the program.

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Mr. Keating served as governor of Oklahoma, 1995-2003. Dr. Beall is Chief of Radiology Services for Clinical Radiology of Oklahoma. Both are board members of the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs.

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