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 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
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The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




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It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


It doesn't help when there are so many people willing to label someone a Nazi. It gets similar play to "racist" or "bigot."


No it doesn't. It's not even close. In fact white supremacist is WAY ahead of it.


I'm not referring to frequency. The point is "Nazi" is often used for the same reason as "racist" - to shout down an opposing viewpoint without debate.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Agreed, because we really didnt.

People want to use their own personal definitions for these terms but they are what they are. Racism requires power. White Supremacy actions and White supremacist beliefs/Bigotry do not.


You got butt fucked in that thread, so it's best we all forget it.


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leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?

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Caller Bob wrote:
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we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Agreed, because we really didnt.

People want to use their own personal definitions for these terms but they are what they are. Racism requires power. White Supremacy actions and White supremacist beliefs/Bigotry do not.


You got butt fucked in that thread, so it's best we all forget it.

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At least 5 people in that thread posted that your dumb ass thought was beyond even responding to. Like they seriously pondered whether I was aruging a straw man, as no one would be that dense. Do you know how stupid you have to be to go beneath CFMB response worthy?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Agreed, because we really didnt.

People want to use their own personal definitions for these terms but they are what they are. Racism requires power. White Supremacy actions and White supremacist beliefs/Bigotry do not.


You got butt fucked in that thread, so it's best we all forget it.

:lol:

At least 5 people in that thread posted that your dumb ass thought was beyond even responding to. Like they seriously pondered whether I was aruging a straw man, as no one would be that dense. Do you know how stupid you have to be to go beneath CFMB response worthy?


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leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.

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shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.


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shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.


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I guess I could just act like a Polish person when seeing a Nazi and simply open the front door and welcome them in. You probably think "blitzkrieg" is German for "just visiting"

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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All Nazi's should be killed.


See? Not a threat. Protected speech.

Not protected. Just punctuated poorly.


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shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.

It might not be a question of fear. I think the issue depends on the circumstances. How would said Nazi know you light the menorah? If he did know that, and if there were a history of attacks here, and if he had a pattern of following you or others, maybe that could possibly be considered a threat. Without the "Kill all Jews," and in the US, I dunno.

I think this situation does occur and the law gets involved (or should get involved) by protecting people.

I hate to see these people make end-runs around the law, like the guy in Cape Fear.


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tommy wrote:
shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.

It might not be a question of fear. I think the issue depends on the circumstances. How would said Nazi know you light the menorah? If he did know that, and if there were a history of attacks here, and if he had a pattern of following you or others, maybe that could possibly be considered a threat. Without the "Kill all Jews," and in the US, I dunno.

I think this situation does occur and the law gets involved (or should get involved) by protecting people.

I hate to see these people make end-runs around the law, like the guy in Cape Fear.



As a Jew, simply being a Nazi implies the "kill all Jews" message. Some things don't need to be said.

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shakes wrote:
tommy wrote:
shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.

It might not be a question of fear. I think the issue depends on the circumstances. How would said Nazi know you light the menorah? If he did know that, and if there were a history of attacks here, and if he had a pattern of following you or others, maybe that could possibly be considered a threat. Without the "Kill all Jews," and in the US, I dunno.

I think this situation does occur and the law gets involved (or should get involved) by protecting people.

I hate to see these people make end-runs around the law, like the guy in Cape Fear.



As a Jew, simply being a Nazi implies the "kill all Jews" message. Some things don't need to be said.

I think in this context, in this country, it does need to be said for it to be considered a threat. Fear is a different issue.


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shakes wrote:
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shakes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

Nazis are a threat making threatening speech.

If i was a Jew and ten Nazis came marching down the street chanting 'Kill all the Jews' could I take that as a potential dangerous situation and fear for my safety?


You don't even have to go that far. As a Jew, if I even saw one Nazi walking down the street not even saying a word I would feel threatened and fear for my safety. Anyone who says that is an unreasonable fear is an idiot.


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I guess I could just act like a Polish person when seeing a Nazi and simply open the front door and welcome them in. You probably think "blitzkrieg" is German for "just visiting"


zero historical support for that

They may have defended poorly they did fight.

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why would a polish guy walking down the street next to a Brit and a Frenchie be afraid of a Nazi?

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Shakes needs a safe space.

I can think of one ... a large, very warm one.

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Shakes needs a safe space.

I can think of one ... a large, very warm one.


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I can think of one ... a large, very warm one.


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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.


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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.
Just like with the cops, do whatever you need to as long as you "fear for your safety". Right JLN?

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zero historical support for that

They may have defended poorly they did fight.



Nazi's took Poland without firing a shot. The Poles all had their guns pointing in the wrong direction.

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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.


Do I need to remind everyone again of the "Nazi Exception/exemption"? It's a pretty clear rule.

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zero historical support for that

They may have defended poorly they did fight.



Nazi's took Poland without firing a shot. The Poles all had their guns pointing in the wrong direction.


Now if you were around my family THAT is something that would have got you punched.

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zero historical support for that

They may have defended poorly they did fight.



Nazi's took Poland without firing a shot. The Poles all had their guns pointing in the wrong direction.


Now if you were around my family THAT is something that would have got you punched.


How many family members would it have taken to throw the punch?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.

I agree. It's not even close to being near that level yet though. Antifa is awful but it's a bad idea to pretend their views have gone mainstream.


Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?

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shakes wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.


Do I need to remind everyone again of the "Nazi Exception/exemption"? It's a pretty clear rule.

I would say you will have to, because it wont always be a Nazi. It'll be some oppressor labeled a shitlord by a Quad City Pat type.


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FavreFan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.

I agree. It's not even close to being near that level yet though. Antifa is awful but it's a bad idea to pretend their views have gone mainstream.


Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?

Is it Rick?


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.
Just like with the cops, do whatever you need to as long as you "fear for your safety". Right JLN?


You know that the qualifier in these situations is "reasonable". Saying you fear for your safety because of an arm band or overt political affiliation is most assuredly unreasonable.


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