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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.

I agree. It's not even close to being near that level yet though. Antifa is awful but it's a bad idea to pretend their views have gone mainstream.


Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?


It's simple: doxx them.


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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.
Just like with the cops, do whatever you need to as long as you "fear for your safety". Right JLN?


You know that the qualifier in these situations is "reasonable". Saying you fear for your safety because of an arm band or overt political affiliation is most assuredly unreasonable.

If the political affiliation's mantra is literally DEATH TO (insert group of people) it's absolutely a reasonable fear to the targeted group.


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Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?


It's simple: doxx them.

You're very clever.

We know you're turning the guy in. But it's a serious question to guys like rpb, leash, dolphin, and others who are very alarmed about the rising intolerance of intolerance by the left.

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Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?


It's simple: doxx them.

You're very clever.

We know you're turning the guy in. But it's a serious question to guys like rpb, leash, dolphin, and others who are very alarmed about the rising intolerance of intolerance by the left.


Of course I'm not, but I would hope that if he was caught, he would be punished.

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Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?


It's simple: doxx them.

You're very clever.

We know you're turning the guy in. But it's a serious question to guys like rpb, leash, dolphin, and others who are very alarmed about the rising intolerance of intolerance by the left.


Of course I'm not, but I would hope that if he was caught, he would be punished.

Would you really *hope* that? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't give the situation a second thought later on.

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I wouldn't turn him in but this whole "punch a Nazi" thing is going mainstream. (or maybe I just follow too many extreme types on Twitter) and I just dont trust them to stop there.


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Scenario for you: A Nazi in the full nazi get up is in public yelling a bunch of hateful nazi shit. A CFMBer runs up and punches him out, and then runs away. You turning the CFMBer in?


It's simple: doxx them.

You're very clever.

We know you're turning the guy in. But it's a serious question to guys like rpb, leash, dolphin, and others who are very alarmed about the rising intolerance of intolerance by the left.


Of course I'm not, but I would hope that if he was caught, he would be punished.

Would you really *hope* that? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't give the situation a second thought later on.


You're misinterpreting my emphasis of the word "hope."

I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

In the words of FF, it's really not that complicated.

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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.


Do I need to remind everyone again of the "Nazi Exception/exemption"? It's a pretty clear rule.

I would say you will have to, because it wont always be a Nazi. It'll be some oppressor labeled a shitlord by a Quad City Pat type.



I don't understand? the Nazi Exception is pretty clear in that it only applies to Nazis. They're not really hard to pick out of a crowd, the armband is usually a dead giveaway.

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.


Are you being serious with this response?

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I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.

I have no problems with someone punching that guy too.

I dont have a problem with any singular incident really, but if this becomes the way we deal with things, its problematic.


People will inevitably have different ideas of where the JUSTIFIABLY PUNCHABLE line is.


Do I need to remind everyone again of the "Nazi Exception/exemption"? It's a pretty clear rule.

I would say you will have to, because it wont always be a Nazi. It'll be some oppressor labeled a shitlord by a Quad City Pat type.



I don't understand? the Nazi Exception is pretty clear in that it only applies to Nazis. They're not really hard to pick out of a crowd, the armband is usually a dead giveaway.


Is it just me or has no one else ever heard of the "Nazi exemption"?

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Is it just me or has no one else ever heard of the "Nazi exemption"?


What Hebrew school did you attend?

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.


Are you being serious with this response?

Half serious. You already live in a society that justifies violence based on certain types of speech. I guess you mean legally, but if that's the case I don't see that really becoming an issue any time soon.

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.


Are you being serious with this response?

Half serious. You already live in a society that justifies violence based on certain types of speech. I guess you mean legally, but if that's the case I don't see that really becoming an issue any time soon.


Of course I mean legally.

And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

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Is it just me or has no one else ever heard of the "Nazi exemption"?


What Hebrew school did you attend?


Your Hebrew teachers lied to you.

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And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

That's understandable.

I don't mind living in a society where acting like an obscene asshole in public will occasionally be greeted with a punch. The Nazi will be fine. Maybe he'll tone his act down some next time.

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.


Are you being serious with this response?

Half serious. You already live in a society that justifies violence based on certain types of speech. I guess you mean legally, but if that's the case I don't see that really becoming an issue any time soon.


Of course I mean legally.

And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.


But they'll make your kids Nazis

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And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

That's understandable.

I don't mind living in a society where acting like an obscene asshole in public will occasionally be greeted with a punch. The Nazi will be fine. Maybe he'll tone his act down some next time.


That's fine as long as you don't mind that that person who committed the physical violence not be given any legal cover simply because he punched someone who most of us don't like. The laws that punish his physical violence are the same laws that would punish the Nazi if his actions ever went beyond words.

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I just don't want to live in a society where we justify violence because of certain types of speech.

I don't want to live in a society with Nazis. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.


Are you being serious with this response?

Half serious. You already live in a society that justifies violence based on certain types of speech. I guess you mean legally, but if that's the case I don't see that really becoming an issue any time soon.


Of course I mean legally.

And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.


But they'll make your kids Nazis


My children will be born Nazis. You know that.

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And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

That's understandable.

I don't mind living in a society where acting like an obscene asshole in public will occasionally be greeted with a punch. The Nazi will be fine. Maybe he'll tone his act down some next time.


That's fine as long as you don't mind that that person who committed the physical violence not be given any legal cover simply because he punched someone who most of us don't like. The laws that punish his physical violence are the same laws that would punish the Nazi if his actions ever went beyond words.

Sure. Most of this is all theoretical anyway. My guess is 99.9% of punches don't end up in arrests.

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And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

That's understandable.

I don't mind living in a society where acting like an obscene asshole in public will occasionally be greeted with a punch. The Nazi will be fine. Maybe he'll tone his act down some next time.


That's fine as long as you don't mind that that person who committed the physical violence not be given any legal cover simply because he punched someone who most of us don't like. The laws that punish his physical violence are the same laws that would punish the Nazi if his actions ever went beyond words.

Sure. Most of this is all theoretical anyway. My guess is 99.9% of punches don't end up in arrests.


Just like rapes.

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And I would MUCH rather live in a society that has people who call themselves "Nazis" than in a society who tries not to allow those people to speak.

That's understandable.

I don't mind living in a society where acting like an obscene asshole in public will occasionally be greeted with a punch. The Nazi will be fine. Maybe he'll tone his act down some next time.


That's fine as long as you don't mind that that person who committed the physical violence not be given any legal cover simply because he punched someone who most of us don't like. The laws that punish his physical violence are the same laws that would punish the Nazi if his actions ever went beyond words.

Sure. Most of this is all theoretical anyway. My guess is 99.9% of punches don't end up in arrests.



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To change the subject, do we still think that segregation laws are unneeded in modern times?

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Is it just me or has no one else ever heard of the "Nazi exemption"?

It's not a thing. Shakes, aren't you a yenrotta?


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To change the subject, do we still think that segregation laws are unneeded in modern times?


Wow, pretty racist question.

Look at Rick trying to summon back Jim Crow laws.

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not to change the subject, but who here has ever met or seen a real life Nazi?

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Maybe, but please get rid of the miscegenation laws. If I ever get unmarried, I have some miscegnating to do.


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not to change the subject, but who here has ever met or seen a real life Nazi?


If I can add on to your question... Why is this worse now than in the last 50 years?

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