It is currently Wed May 01, 2024 6:22 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 331 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:33 pm
Posts: 12078
pizza_Place: Vito and Nick's
Hatchetman wrote:
tommy wrote:
outside of certain parameters which everyone agrees on, it doesn't matter who is doing the speaking.


care to elaborate?

yeah, incitement and so forth. the things that are never really protected, whether the court tends to the liberal or conservative.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:33 pm
Posts: 12078
pizza_Place: Vito and Nick's
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:33 pm
Posts: 12078
pizza_Place: Vito and Nick's
Hatchetman wrote:
It doesn't appear that everyone can agree upon anything.

well, i'm not an etc., but the courts seem to uphold the first amendment and are pretty clear about what rights we don't have. i think. (????)

as far as ethics, that's different.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:48 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 89073
Location: To the left of my post
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 20698
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81627
I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:18 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39755
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.


Yep.

_________________
Brick wrote:
Biden is doing a GOOD job.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
tommy wrote:
On the other hand....

Nazis are different, but it is hard to imagine why someone walking around in public in KKK regalia is not considered a threat, given the context of American history. Maybe it is because the KKK doesn't (as far as I know) lynch people any longer. I don't know.
I think that's the big distinction here. I guess a Nazi could walk around not being a "threat" but pretty much any speech by a Nazi about being a Nazi is a threat.


Airing abhorrent views is not the same as creating a reasonable fear of imminent lawlessness, come on.

People advocate for bad shit to befall people all the time, and we regard it as political speech. Look at all the stuff about wishing Trump death or assassination, the BLM protesters with their "all the good cops I know are the dead ones" signs at protests. Look at Ogie here call for the murder of police officers whenever his childish anger issues consume him. None of them are actually threats, but all are protected speech.


Correct. Simply spouting off Nazi principles is not a threat. The burden for "incitement" should - rightly - be an extremely high one.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23917
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
rogers park bryan wrote:
I think the true test for this would be an Islamic Extremist screaming death to infidels inside Penn station.


Might have to be outside on the sidewalk as I assume Penn Station is private property?

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40153
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
All Nazi's should be killed.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:27 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 42985
Caller Bob wrote:
All Nazi's should be killed.

Yup.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 20698
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Caller Bob wrote:
All Nazi's should be killed.


See? Not a threat. Protected speech.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40153
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
^Sympathizer


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:25 am
Posts: 25
pizza_Place: You cant go to heaven eating pizza
good dolphin wrote:
Let's take it out of the realm where most can identify:

The Old Navy Preacher says some hateful stuff against homosexuals, right up to the point of saying they should die in this life. Would you protect someone punching him?


Come at the king, you best not miss. You can't go to heaven being a homosexual sea mammal!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40153
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
OldNavyPreacher wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Let's take it out of the realm where most can identify:

The Old Navy Preacher says some hateful stuff against homosexuals, right up to the point of saying they should die in this life. Would you protect someone punching him?


Come at the king, you best not miss. You can't go to heaven being a homosexual sea mammal!


Preacher, I like to watch the videos on http://blacked.com. Am I going to hell too?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 20698
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Caller Bob wrote:
^Sympathizer


Synthesizer
Sennheiser
Schoenweis


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81627
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:07 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77179
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:10 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:46 pm
Posts: 20698
pizza_Place: Giordano's
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


I completely understand the emotion involved in wanting to punch Nazis, but that's not how our society operates, nor should it. If a person does it, they should be arrested.

Aside from the obvious free speech argument, what ever happened to just ignoring people?

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:11 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77179
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


I completely agree with you, Dan.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


It doesn't help when there are so many people willing to label someone a Nazi. It gets similar play to "racist" or "bigot."

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:17 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77179
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
leashyourkids wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.


I agree, Douchebag. Plenty of Trump supporters thought it was OK to get violent with people for having differing political views. Thing is I think advocating punching Nazis gets a pass because everyone is so afraid to be seen as defending Nazism.


It doesn't help when there are so many people willing to label someone a Nazi. It gets similar play to "racist" or "bigot."


No it doesn't. It's not even close. In fact white supremacist is WAY ahead of it.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81627
Nas wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
The problem isnt one punch. No one (besides JLN) feels bad for Nazis who get hit but this is becoming a thing on the left.

Punching people is justified if their ideas/beliefs are abhorrent? Who draws that line? And dont say it's just Nazis because it's not, people (Antifa and their fans) want to get violent with anyone they deem "hateful" that is a dangerous road to go down.




Kidding JLN


It's not a left or right thing JORR. MANY people believe that it is okay to punch someone who pisses you off.

It's absolutely a thing right now with extreme leftists. It never was before. Im not really concerned with the other side.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23917
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40153
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39755
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


Punch whitey! There ya have it. Its right there for ya.

_________________
Brick wrote:
Biden is doing a GOOD job.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:24 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77179
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


All people get compared to the Jordan of Nazis but very few people call someone a Nazi.

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:25 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:15 pm
Posts: 40153
Location: Small Fringe Minority
pizza_Place: John's
Nas wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. and we know white supremacists and Nazis are the same thing. so......


All people get compared to the Jordan of Nazis but very few people call someone a Nazi.


Fascists buy shoes too!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Seattle Nazi-Puncher
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81627
Caller Bob wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
we just had a big thread here were MANY said racists and white supremacists were the same thing. .

Let's say we didn't...

Agreed, because we really didnt.

People want to use their own personal definitions for these terms but they are what they are. Racism requires power. White Supremacy actions and White supremacist beliefs/Bigotry do not.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 331 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group