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Best commissioner in sports! Way to take control! Let the NFL be the less restrictive league!

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Must be pretty worried about ratings and game attendance.
It's ok. Adam Silver will let the players talk before the anthem, but you respect the flag on his watch!

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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.

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Kaepernick better avoid going to NBA games because you know that Adam Silver would love nothing more than to punch him right in the face and then choke him out with an American flag.

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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.

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Someone in the Deadspin comments, in reference to Adam Silver, asked "what's Yiddish for Uncle Tom?" Very normal and healthy behavior.

People set their hopes too high on Adam Silver. Like any CEO, his job is to make money for his bosses. NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER LATE CAPITALISM, bitches, just because Silver held Donald Sterling at gunpoint for getting caught being racist doesn't mean management and ownership are down with the cause. They made themselves a ton of money on that sale and every subsequent sale of every pro sports team (even the woeful Las Vegas NHL team went for half a billion in a post-Ballmer world). They're not dumb; they know when to put on appearances and when not to. The only way the NBA will disrespect the national anthem is by selling product placement in the lyrics.

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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.


Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


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Playing right into the enemy's hands: they want the protest deracinated from police brutality in specific and turned into an all-purpose "wah-wah muh freedoms, Drumpf"

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Telegram Sam wrote:
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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.


Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.

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MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.


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Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.


Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.


And that confusion isn't helped by guys who have felt compelled into protesting without a full understanding of its scope now sounding off about why and what they are protesting. After this last week, I can't decide which of the four different ostensible protests are going on at any given time: Police brutality committed against young black men with little to no scrutiny; "inequality"; Donald Trump; or Unity against Donald Trump.

This is from guys and a league that only are able to protest a few days a week, imagine NBA players trying to stay on-message night in and night out. Kaep's was the best, it was concise, it stood out, and it had a coherent endgame. Now all this kneeling stuff is so close to jumping the shark, it got close to becoming an ice-bucket-challenge style internet meme with #TakeAKnee.


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Yeah, you would prefer to think that, wouldn't you?

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Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.


And that confusion isn't helped by guys who have felt compelled into protesting without a full understanding of its scope now sounding off about why and what they are protesting. After this last week, I can't decide which of the four different ostensible protests are going on at any given time: Police brutality committed against young black men with little to no scrutiny; "inequality"; Donald Trump; or Unity against Donald Trump.

This is from guys and a league that only are able to protest a few days a week, imagine NBA players trying to stay on-message night in and night out. Kaep's was the best, it was concise, it stood out, and it had a coherent endgame. Now all this kneeling stuff is so close to jumping the shark, it got close to becoming an ice-bucket-challenge style internet meme with #TakeAKnee.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.


Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.


And that confusion isn't helped by guys who have felt compelled into protesting without a full understanding of its scope now sounding off about why and what they are protesting. After this last week, I can't decide which of the four different ostensible protests are going on at any given time: Police brutality committed against young black men with little to no scrutiny; "inequality"; Donald Trump; or Unity against Donald Trump.

This is from guys and a league that only are able to protest a few days a week, imagine NBA players trying to stay on-message night in and night out. Kaep's was the best, it was concise, it stood out, and it had a coherent endgame. Now all this kneeling stuff is so close to jumping the shark, it got close to becoming an ice-bucket-challenge style internet meme with #TakeAKnee.


They all matter. Which one did you support?

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Nas wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Chus wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Telegram Sam wrote:
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The NBA has identified the marketing opportunities in being the "woke" league, so I'm very surprised by this.


If you want to see this movement/gesture dissipate into self-parody, let it play out 7 nights a week.


Yeah, already there have been a bunch of the newly-protesting NFL players who clearly don't know what exactly they're protesting, some even sounding like they've only joined in the protests because of Trump's comments, not any larger social issue.


MANY of Kaepernick's critics don't know what he is protesting either.


And that confusion isn't helped by guys who have felt compelled into protesting without a full understanding of its scope now sounding off about why and what they are protesting. After this last week, I can't decide which of the four different ostensible protests are going on at any given time: Police brutality committed against young black men with little to no scrutiny; "inequality"; Donald Trump; or Unity against Donald Trump.

This is from guys and a league that only are able to protest a few days a week, imagine NBA players trying to stay on-message night in and night out. Kaep's was the best, it was concise, it stood out, and it had a coherent endgame. Now all this kneeling stuff is so close to jumping the shark, it got close to becoming an ice-bucket-challenge style internet meme with #TakeAKnee.


They all matter. Which one did you support?


"Support" how?

Regardless, you have a hard time saying definitively that "this protest is about [X]" when said protest is also simultaneously and at various other times about [Y], which may or may not be directly related to [X].


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Why does that matter to you?

When protests turn violent they say I would listen if they were peaceful. When protests are peaceful they say I would listen if they weren't shouting or interfering with my day. When protests are peaceful and silent they complain about the number of causes being protested. At some point it isn't the protests that are the problem it is you.

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To be fair, I don't think it's good that Kaepernick's protest has been turned into "stick it to Donald Trump," largely by people who resented Kaepernick for not voting in the election.

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To be fair, I don't think it's good that Kaepernick's protest has been turned into "stick it to Donald Trump," largely by people who resented Kaepernick for not voting in the election.


I don't see it that way. Those folks are just taking a knee or protesting for a different reason. All marches generally look the same but folks are marching for different reasons. No one dismisses a domestic violence march or a cancer march because it looks similar to a march against Mike Glennon. Saying that all athletes must take a knee for the same reason is silly.

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Where's that baby back bitch LeBrons response to this?

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To be fair, I don't think it's good that Kaepernick's protest has been turned into "stick it to Donald Trump," largely by people who resented Kaepernick for not voting in the election.


I don't see it that way. Those folks are just taking a knee or protesting for a different reason. All marches generally look the same but folks are marching for different reasons. No one dismisses a domestic violence march or a cancer march because it looks similar to a march against Mike Glennon.


Except the cancer and DV marches are rendered less effective by the presence of a march against Mike Glennon. The lack of a coherent cause means you'll have cancer awareness fighting for headlines and donation dollars with those advocating Glennon's ouster.

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Saying that all athletes must take a knee for the same reason is silly.


I listened to Kaepernick's words and calls to action when he was the sole protester setting the message. I just want to laugh at the guys who are effectively protesting Donald Trump. The one group reduces the efficacy of the other's message.


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Wrong. This topic is now a national issue...an international issue if you consider London this morning. There are common threads connecting all of these issues being protested. The same group in America that allows cops to get away with police brutality against minorities is the same group that voted Trump in as President. That section of America is 'okay' with being divisive and discriminating. The protest is about those people...no matter their exact crime. As soon as people in positions of 'power' across the nation joined the protest...it legitimized it all. The protest is way more successful now than a year ago.

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Wrong. This topic is now a national issue...an international issue if you consider London this morning. There are common threads connecting all of these issues being protested. The same group in America that allows cops to get away with police brutality against minorities is the same group that voted Trump in as President. That section of America is 'okay' with being divisive and discriminating. The protest is about those people...no matter their exact crime. As soon as people in positions of 'power' across the nation joined the protest...it legitimized it all. The protest is way more successful now than a year ago.


1. Bad things share a whole host of common elements, might as well protest "All Bad Things" then, right? That isn't confusing and potentially disconcerting to allies, right?

2. Do you think under-scrutinized use of deadly force by police is something that only afflicts minorities, or that somehow cops are only punished when they kill whites?

3. So it's about police brutality but it's also about people who aren't police? Who exactly is being protested and why? (Do you see yet why expanding the object of protests gets confusing and impotent pretty quickly?)


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None of it matters anyway because Kaepernick disrespected our military and veterans and our country and the police and firemen and wore a t-shirt and because he has a giant afro and has a woke girlfriend and he isn't a good football player and hasn't spoken about what contract he would accept and donated some money to the wrong cause.

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None of it matters anyway because Kaepernick disrespected our military and veterans and our country and the police and firemen and wore a t-shirt and because he has a giant afro and has a woke girlfriend and he isn't a good football player and hasn't spoken about what contract he would accept and donated some money to the wrong cause.


1. He then defended his support of the human rights-violating dictator because the literacy rate of the people under his rule. I guess supporting someone who actively oppressed, imprisoned and then threw people away like trash doesn't really matter because...those people were Cuban?

2. $15K was earmarked for teen training described as “develop and train young people, ages 4-19, in the Black queer feminist tradition and in the spirit of Assata.” Assata Shakur murdered a police officer (on top of being accused of MANY other violent crimes) and then broke out in a violent siege complete with hostages, and received political asylum in......? Cuba. From Castro. Might we know why Kaep has such an affinity for Castro, now? I'll say it explicitly: Colin Kaepernick likes Fidel Castro because Castro gave asylum to Assata Shakur, a black violent felon who murdered a white cop, and at the very least, Kaepernick is comfortable with the idea of black teens being trained to to fit the mold of someone so openly hostile and violent to cops/white people.


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Isn't the Assata Shakur cop murder case highly controversial?

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Can we keep this thread on celebrating Adam Silver for taking a stand for our country and flag while Goodell let's his workers disrespect it?

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Isn't the Assata Shakur cop murder case highly controversial?


The physical evidence doesn't support the notion that she was shooting it out with cops, but she was holding magazines for the guns used to shoot it out with cops, which makes her party to a violent felony, and guilty of any other felonies that result from that action, like the murder of the trooper and assault of the other. People love the felony murder rule when it gets the "right" people, but not when it gets someone who had been accused of (read: indicted on) half a dozen other violent felonies including ambushing other police officers.


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