Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize his first year in office. Think about that. Even he made fun of it.

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize his first year in office. Think about that. Even he made fun of it.

He escalated those wars and put us into new battlefields where we were not previously (Yemen, Libya, Syria) so yes he was a fucking warhawk. It kind of pisses me off that Obama is given a pass by the anti-war left as he deserves the same scorn that Dubya and Trump have earned in that department.

To be fair, the Nobel Peace Prize in itself is a complete joke. It's the only Nobel prize selected from Norway where all the others involving actual work are picked from the committee in Sweden.

The worst part of that prize as far as I was concerned was they gave it to him for what he CAN or MIGHT do. Not what he had done to that point. Which was nothing.

It kind of pisses me off that Obama is given a pass by the anti-war left as he deserves the same scorn that Dubya and Trump have earned in that department.

The DEMs always get a pass on war. MANY like to ignore the fact that Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, and all those phonies had the same intelligence as W. They had enough votes to stop it and JOINED in. Two years later when it was politically convenient to be contrarian, they claimed victim. That's right....the brilliant mastermind George W. Bush TRICKED them.

Total horseshit. they all got a pass. Barry gets a pass.

Obama is W but with an economically crippling healthcare bill on top.

In terms of W's failures. Let's not forget "No child Left Behind". Nothing says GOP like spending a shit-ton of Federal money on ramming education standards down to the states.

He had 8 fucking years to end the wars. He not only failed to end them, but he expanded them into several new countries. Stop giving him a pass. He's a warmongering piece of shit, just like his predecessors and the one we have in office now. He was only anti-war on the campaign trail or when it could get him press. Any time he was in a position to take direct action, he was sending drones to go bomb weddings and Doctors Without Borders hospitals. Fuck him.

He withdrew troops from Iraq in 2011.

You can hate him and curse his drone strikes all you want, to act like he is equal to W. in this sense is ridiculous.


You're giving W. a pass for his HISTORIC fuck up by acting like it was just normal to go into Iraq as a response for 9/11

He put us into war in Libya, and yes that is a fuck-up equal to Iraq. Do you want to know why it's an equal fuck-up despite a lower body count? Because we got Libya to peacefully give up their WMD program only to then depose them when they had no WMD's. Anyone want to take a wild guess why a peaceful disarmament of North Korea via negotiations is 100% off the table according to the regime there? Our idiotic Libya policy (masterminded by Hillary and approved by Obama) put us in the current NK crisis. That has the potential to create worse after-effects than Bush's disastrous Iraq adventure.

Fuck him. He's a warmonger and if you want to pretend otherwise you're only lying to yourself.

And sorry you dont get to put the fucking IRAQ war on Dems.

Oh yes i do. I get to put it on W, the GOP, and the DEMS. They all did it together. They all own it.

Ogie is 100% correct. Barry continued the same bullshit wars as W.

I wondered when Hank would finally have a take worse than "Michael irvin was overrated and not great." I think "Bush wasn't that bad" finally surpasses it.

Best part of Libya was Hillary's lieutenant Neera Tanden putting it in writing that we should take all their oil for free as payment for bombing them, which was the same idea behind Iraq.

He put us into war in Libya, and yes that is a fuck-up equal to Iraq. Do you want to know why it's an equal fuck-up despite a lower body count? Because we got Libya to peacefully give up their WMD program only to then depose them when they had no WMD's. Anyone want to take a wild guess why a peaceful disarmament of North Korea via negotiations is 100% off the table according to the regime there? Our idiotic Libya policy (masterminded by Hillary and approved by Obama) put us in the current NK crisis. That has the potential to create worse after-effects than Bush's disastrous Iraq adventure.

Fuck him. He's a warmonger and if you want to pretend otherwise you're only lying to yourself.

Libya is nowhere near equal to Iraq.

It's hard to describe the way a reasonable person would appreciate the bizarre revisionism taking over this thread. I'm not the biggest Obama fan, but the assaults going on over his legacy are wildly misplaced

Right. Continuing the war for 3 years before effectively ending it is the EXACT same thing as starting it in the first place.

When the policy in Libya has ensured that no future rogue nation will peacefully surrender a WMD program, yes it is.

Don't take my word for that. Take North Korea's word as they have cited that very example.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... fence.html

I will summarize my point here.

The afterbirth of our Iraq policy has been ISIS. A very bad outcome that has led to tens to hundreds of thousands of deaths. However, not an existential threat to us.

The afterbirth of our Libya policy has been a North Korea which is determined to build and unwilling to give up a nuclear ICBM program. This has the very real potential to result in hundreds of millions of deaths and is very much an existential threat to us.

That could be propaganda. My point is that the circumstances were completely different. Libya was engaged in a civil war prior to U.S. intervention. Iraq wasn't. US created unrest in Iraq. They didn't create it in Libya.

North Korea was determined to build nukes well before Libya came along.

it's hardly propaganda when US intelligence experts have expressed the same opinion. We deposed Gaddafi and now we're seeing the aftereffects of that policy when other rouge actors will not peacefully surrender WMD's as he did. They see WMD's as the insurance policy against regime change actions.

Hillary, Trump, Bush, Obama, and Cheney can all be dropped off of a cliff with no parachute for all I care. The current state of affairs in the world is their making.