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Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Seacrest wrote:

You can throw $100K a year at students and it won't matter.

Until the family is rebuilt in our society, education will continue to fail. And MANY teachers will be unfairly blamed for its failure.

And no amount of money is going to change that.


Agreed.

It's a noble goal to try and pay parents and family to care, but you just can't.


I don't think it is always that simple though. MANY schools are failing these kids.


It's never that simple.

It's a complex issue that can't be solved by just money.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Regular Reader wrote:
Nas wrote:
Coming from a loving home with educated parents increases the odds that the child will do well in school and life. There is no question about it. The same is true for having access to early childhood education. Those things aren't magic bullets and they don't cover up the failures of shitty schools in poor and minority communities.

I know enough parents who are sending their kids to failing schools. Not because they don't care but because they simply don't know better. It's the neighborhood school. The kids may even be doing well in the school. That will change instantly once that child goes to a school that doesn't suck. When you can take 1 school's 10 best students and place them elsewhere and they become average to above average students that's not parental failure. MANY of these awful and poorly funded schools are in poor and minority communities.

Change that and you'll start to see different outcomes. You can't continue giving poor and minority kids mush and expect the majority to turn it into a gourmet meal.


Exactly!



I'm glad we can all agree on that. Which also means that we can and should promote the best outcome for all kids.

MANY private schools are doing better than the CPS spending MUCH less per student than they are. Which means they are not getting MUSH. Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
If we passed a law that anyone who receives a salary derived from taxpayer dollars MUST send his/her kid(s) to their local public schools, you'd see public schools get good in a real fucking hurry.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Ask Bernsie if the poor kids can go where his go?
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
pittmike wrote:
Ask Bernsie if the poor kids can go where his go?


Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, kids that are dead broke can't picture this.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:



I don't think anyone here considers either one of you a very informed poster, or a high IQ voter so, there are charter schools and there is a new law that goes into effect in 2018.

http://wqad.com/2017/12/22/illinois-pri ... s-in-2018/
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:



Here is another article for the less informed among us.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/20171102/peo ... holarships

https://chicagotonight.wttw.com/2018/01 ... it-program
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:



I don't think anyone here considers either one of you a very informed poster, or a high IQ voter so, there are charter schools and there is a new law that goes into effect in 2018.

http://wqad.com/2017/12/22/illinois-pri ... s-in-2018/

Great, now every kid can go to a private school. Lets just shut down all of the bad public schools and everything will be solved.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:



I don't think anyone here considers either one of you a very informed poster, or a high IQ voter so, there are charter schools and there is a new law that goes into effect in 2018.

http://wqad.com/2017/12/22/illinois-pri ... s-in-2018/
Wow. Getting personal right away. Normally you wait a few posts at least.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Caller Bob wrote:
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image



Are you suggesting that I should have just called them dumb asses CB?
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Hey, parents that can't afford private school. Send your kid to a school you can't afford and all will be well.

:lol:



I don't think anyone here considers either one of you a very informed poster, or a high IQ voter so, there are charter schools and there is a new law that goes into effect in 2018.

http://wqad.com/2017/12/22/illinois-pri ... s-in-2018/
Wow. Getting personal right away. Normally you wait a few posts at least.



Poor Brick. Rushed to toss an emoticon and now wants to cry about being called out for being uninformed about a topic. AGAIN.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image



Are you suggesting that I should have just called them dumb asses CB?


I wouldn't say that, also, I would NOT, not say that.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Caller Bob wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image



Are you suggesting that I should have just called them dumb asses CB?


I wouldn't say that, also, I would NOT, not say that.


So, I should try and influence the close minded how exactly?
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Poor Brick. Rushed to toss an emoticon and now wants to cry about being called out for being uninformed about a topic. AGAIN.
What was uninformed?
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image



Are you suggesting that I should have just called them dumb asses CB?


I wouldn't say that, also, I would NOT, not say that.


So, I should try and influence the close minded how exactly?


Love and compassion.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Caller Bob wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
'Crest really taking the passive aggressive angle here..
Image



Are you suggesting that I should have just called them dumb asses CB?


I wouldn't say that, also, I would NOT, not say that.


So, I should try and influence the close minded how exactly?


Love and compassion.


I'll do better.

I'm sorry if my response was offensive to you.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
No worries. Brick does kinda suck.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Caller Bob wrote:
No worries. Brick does kinda suck.



He doesn't suck.

He does like to hear the sound of his own keyboard though. And Douchebag is just being Douchebag.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Nas wrote:
Coming from a loving home with educated parents increases the odds that the child will do well in school and life. There is no question about it. The same is true for having access to early childhood education. Those things aren't magic bullets and they don't cover up the failures of shitty schools in poor and minority communities.

I know enough parents who are sending their kids to failing schools. Not because they don't care but because they simply don't know better. It's the neighborhood school. The kids may even be doing well in the school. That will change instantly once that child goes to a school that doesn't suck. When you can take 1 school's 10 best students and place them elsewhere and they become average to above average students that's not parental failure. MANY of these awful and poorly funded schools are in poor and minority communities.

Change that and you'll start to see different outcomes. You can't continue giving poor and minority kids mush and expect the majority to turn it into a gourmet meal.


Exactly!



I'm glad we can all agree on that. Which also means that we can and should promote the best outcome for all kids.

MANY private schools are doing better than the CPS spending MUCH less per student than they are. Which means they are not getting MUSH. Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.


But that's also based on a false premise. Many private schools are better because they draw from higher income families that place a big influence on education. And it ignores the often constitutional barriers to entry from those schools existing on a broad scale. See the archdiocese
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest was triggered by one smiley. Maybe I should lay off him.
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Regular Reader wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Nas wrote:
Coming from a loving home with educated parents increases the odds that the child will do well in school and life. There is no question about it. The same is true for having access to early childhood education. Those things aren't magic bullets and they don't cover up the failures of shitty schools in poor and minority communities.

I know enough parents who are sending their kids to failing schools. Not because they don't care but because they simply don't know better. It's the neighborhood school. The kids may even be doing well in the school. That will change instantly once that child goes to a school that doesn't suck. When you can take 1 school's 10 best students and place them elsewhere and they become average to above average students that's not parental failure. MANY of these awful and poorly funded schools are in poor and minority communities.

Change that and you'll start to see different outcomes. You can't continue giving poor and minority kids mush and expect the majority to turn it into a gourmet meal.


Exactly!



I'm glad we can all agree on that. Which also means that we can and should promote the best outcome for all kids.

MANY private schools are doing better than the CPS spending MUCH less per student than they are. Which means they are not getting MUSH. Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.


But that's also based on a false premise. Many private schools are better because they draw from higher income families that place a big influence on education. And it ignores the often constitutional barriers to entry from those schools existing on a broad scale. See the archdiocese


Many private schools are better because the kids come from two parent households where both parents have a financial and personal investment in the education of their children. While the same parents are also providing a healthy investment in the education of public school kids as well.


There is a new law that reduces some of the Constitutional barriers and and as you can see, there are some on this page already complaining about it. And there are a number of private schools that are not religiously affiliated too.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Private schools should not be funded by public funds.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Private schools should not be funded by public funds.

Would you support funding of public schools by private schools?
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Private schools should not be funded by public funds.



Par for the course from a wealthy white guy who probably hasn't spent 15 minutes of his life in the inner city.
Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.

Stop being so dramatic. My original reply was because of this ridiculous statement above which is akin to Dan Bernstein telling someone to "move". Then you replied like the whole system is solved because people can now donate money and receive a tax credit and send that money to private schools.
Author:  Regular Reader [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Nas wrote:
Coming from a loving home with educated parents increases the odds that the child will do well in school and life. There is no question about it. The same is true for having access to early childhood education. Those things aren't magic bullets and they don't cover up the failures of shitty schools in poor and minority communities.

I know enough parents who are sending their kids to failing schools. Not because they don't care but because they simply don't know better. It's the neighborhood school. The kids may even be doing well in the school. That will change instantly once that child goes to a school that doesn't suck. When you can take 1 school's 10 best students and place them elsewhere and they become average to above average students that's not parental failure. MANY of these awful and poorly funded schools are in poor and minority communities.

Change that and you'll start to see different outcomes. You can't continue giving poor and minority kids mush and expect the majority to turn it into a gourmet meal.


Exactly!



I'm glad we can all agree on that. Which also means that we can and should promote the best outcome for all kids.

MANY private schools are doing better than the CPS spending MUCH less per student than they are. Which means they are not getting MUSH. Educate parents to send their kids to better schools, and MANY of them will follow.


But that's also based on a false premise. Many private schools are better because they draw from higher income families that place a big influence on education. And it ignores the often constitutional barriers to entry from those schools existing on a broad scale. See the archdiocese


Many private schools are better because the kids come from two parent households where both parents have a financial and personal investment in the education of their children. While the same parents are also providing a healthy investment in the education of public school kids as well.


There is a new law that reduces some of the Constitutional barriers and and as you can see, there are some on this page already complaining about it. And there are a number of private schools that are not religiously affiliated too.


But I'm firmly in the freedom from religion crowd, and although I'm a private school kid myself, $30k is ridiculous for grammar and high school. And college.

And lower tuition is only possible with extremely generous benefactors...like the Rockefellers
Author:  Brick [ Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Jeanne Ives v. Benedict Rauner
Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Private schools should not be funded by public funds.



Par for the course from a wealthy white guy who probably hasn't spent 15 minutes of his life in the inner city.
I'm not seeing a counterargument there.
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