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Why is Trump beefing with Kaepernick? They both think Hillary belongs in jail.


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What Harrison is saying is that Kaepernick did not grow up in the black community and because of that he doesn't necessary relate with black people in the same way that people who grow up in that community do.

By that logic, someone with 2 black parents who grew up in a predominantly white suburb isn't black either.


It's like Jalen Rose calling Grant Hill an "Uncle Tom."

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He's already backtracking and apologizing. Doesn't want to lose his gig .


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Why is Trump beefing with Kaepernick? They both think Hillary belongs in jail.


He probably thinks Kaepernick is protesting the police and he's trying to position himself as pro-police.

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He's already backtracking and apologizing. Doesn't want to lose his gig .


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Nothing like a heartfelt apology to save your job.

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What Harrison is saying is that Kaepernick did not grow up in the black community and because of that he doesn't necessary relate with black people in the same way that people who grow up in that community do.

By that logic, someone with 2 black parents who grew up in a predominantly white suburb isn't black either.


It's like Jalen Rose calling Grant Hill an "Uncle Tom."


No it's not. It's a CTE riddled brain trying to have a complex thought outside of football.

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No it's not. It's a CTE riddled brain trying to have a complex thought outside of football.


Do you think Rodney Harrison has CTE too?

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No it's not. It's a CTE riddled brain trying to have a complex thought outside of football.


Do you think Rodney Harrison has CTE too?

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so my dad had an interesting take on this....he is a marriage counselor as well as a minister and deals with premarital stuff all the time. he said that all the time he gets in a couple. the woman is from a family of the church, or has strong ties to church. the man has 0 tied to the church and really doesn't go at all but he's RRRRREALLY interested in it all the sudden. He says this happens all the time. Men will do anything to get with a girl. So he tells me he read that kap has recently converted to islam and his gf is some BLM activist DJ.

so basically Kap is just trying to keep his dick wet. he probably gives 2 shits about any of this. and now its blowing out of preportion and he's like. oops.


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Harrison is a racetrack kid. His dad, Ray Harrison, was a great horseman, Dave Magee's right hand man, when Dave was training a stable in the early 80s.

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Dave Zirin of the Nation just told Spiegel and Goff that Kaepernick is risking his NFL career and a starting spot by protesting this way. I dunno--I think the NFL will let anyone play. I find this hard to accept.

I'd say his awful qb'ing is jeopardizing his starting spot and career more than anything he's protesting


He may realize that and thinks the 49ers will be less likely to risk bad PR and release someone who is "taking a stand."


That was my initial thought...it was a pre-emptive move to make it uncomfortable for the 49ers to cut him.


I also read today that Kaepernick is engaged a Black Lives Matter activist, which probably has more to do with this than anything else.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/29/kaepe ... d-protest/


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so my dad had an interesting take on this....he is a marriage counselor as well as a minister and deals with premarital stuff all the time. he said that all the time he gets in a couple. the woman is from a family of the church, or has strong ties to church. the man has 0 tied to the church and really doesn't go at all but he's RRRRREALLY interested in it all the sudden. He says this happens all the time. Men will do anything to get with a girl. So he tells me he read that kap has recently converted to islam and his gf is some BLM activist DJ.

so basically Kap is just trying to keep his dick wet. he probably gives 2 shits about any of this. and now its blowing out of preportion and he's like. oops.

I hope not. Kap can get any kind of woman he wants. He shouldn't pander for pussy like he's a CFMB member.

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we talked about that too. he's like you'd be surprised. even uggos can wrap a dude up in them wangs. (my words not his...haha)


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so my dad had an interesting take on this..


no


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Harrison is a racetrack kid. His dad, Ray Harrison, was a great horseman, Dave Magee's right hand man, when Dave was training a stable in the early 80s.


I miss Balmoral...

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Harrison is a racetrack kid. His dad, Ray Harrison, was a great horseman, Dave Magee's right hand man, when Dave was training a stable in the early 80s.


I miss Balmoral...

I miss Maywood Park.

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Harrison is a racetrack kid. His dad, Ray Harrison, was a great horseman, Dave Magee's right hand man, when Dave was training a stable in the early 80s.


I miss Balmoral...

I miss Maywood Park.


I miss them both. And Sportsman's too. Especially Sportsman's.

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so my dad had an interesting take on this..


no


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I also read today that Kaepernick is engaged a Black Lives Matter activist, which probably has more to do with this than anything else.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/29/kaepe ... d-protest/


I would not be surprised if it turned out that this is more about his identity issues than his actual convictions. Or about both.

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2651 ... nt-offices

Across NFL front offices, there are team officials who are not offended, and even embrace, the controversial position of Colin Kaepernick. They are out there. Statistically, they have to be. But they are keeping a low profile.

They seem to be far outnumbered by the members of NFL front offices who despise him. Truly, truly hate him.

"I don't want him anywhere near my team," one front office executive said. "He's a traitor."

A traitor?

He wasn't alone in the anger directed toward Kaepernick. In interviews with seven team executives, each said he didn't want Kaepernick on his team. This is far from scientific, but I believe this is likely the feeling among many front office executives. Not all. But many.

All seven estimated 90 to 95 percent of NFL front offices felt the same way they did. One executive said he hasn't seen this much collective dislike among front office members regarding a player since Rae Carruth. Remember Rae Carruth? He's still in prison for the plot to murder his pregnant girlfriend.

Personally, I think the dislike of Kaepernick is inappropriate and un-American. I find it ironic that citizens who live in a country whose existence is based on dissent criticize someone who expresses dissent.

But in NFL front offices, the feeling is very different.

"He has no respect for our country," one team executive said. "F--k that guy."

Another said that if an owner asked him to sign Kaepernick, he would consider resigning, rather than do it.

There could be some executives who have no issue with Kaepernick, but I doubt there are many. Each executive said he believes Kaepernick will likely get released by the 49ers—and never play in the NFL again.

That is one of the main themes here. Like these executives, I feel we won't ever see Kaepernick play for another NFL team. There is precedent for this. Chris Kluwe, a former Vikings kicker, said on CNN this week he believes he was banned from the NFL for expressing his views on gay rights.

When challenged that Kaepernick didn't break a law, or an NFL rule, and that it's his right to sit during the anthem, the response, consistently, was that it's also a team's right to not sign him. And to also dislike him.

Why? It seems the executives feel this way because they believe Kaepernick to be un-American. They also don't believe he appreciates what he has. Many of them pointed to Kaepernick's salary and said he would never make that kind of money if not for football.

"In my career, I have never seen a guy so hated by front office guys as Kaepernick," one general manager said.

This is a league that has signed domestic abusers, accused murderers, players who killed another person while driving drunk and dudes who park in handicap spaces. But Kaepernick is the most hated person he's ever seen? A non-violent protest? Really?

Yes, apparently, really.


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"I think the dislike of Kaepernick is inappropriate and un-American"

disliking someone because of their opinion is actually also very American.


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"I think the dislike of Kaepernick is inappropriate and un-American"

disliking someone because of their opinion is actually also very American.


You are probably right. Only taking actions to prevent Kap is un-American.

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"I think the dislike of Kaepernick is inappropriate and un-American"

disliking someone because of their opinion is actually also very American.


You are probably right. Only taking actions to prevent Kap is un-American.



Kaepernick is un-American.
Criticizing Kaepernick is un-American.
Criticizing those who criticize Kaepernick is un-American.

What if we're all just not American?

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."

I've been away from the internet all day.

I came home from a family picnic on the Blackwater River to find my inbox, as usual, overflowing like a ripe Port-O-Pottie.

One of the first messages I read was about 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, quoted above, who last Friday night at the beginning of a preseason game suddenly decided to become the most hated man in America du jour by deliberately not standing for the National Anthem.

Yes, that's right, a football player didn't stand for the National Anthem.

As you know, this means Kaepernick is scum, a horrible human being, a likely member of ISIS, a Muslim terrorist, a black thug, a communist, a socialist (and not the cool share your weed Bernie Sanders kind of socialist but the Red Brigade kind of Socialist who sleeps under a poster of Chairman Mao), a radical, a Black Panther, and he probably has Fidel Castro's phone number in his contact favorites.

Yeah. Okay.

I answered the message and went on to the next one.

The next message was about Kaepernick. As was the next one. And the next one. And...

They all begin pretty much the same way: Jim, AS A VETERAN, what do you think about this? Well?

Let me answer all the messages at once
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AS A VETERAN, what do I think about Colin Kaepernick's decision to sit during the National Anthem?

As a veteran?

Very well, as a veteran then, this is what I believe:

The very first thing I learned in the military is this: Respect is a two-way street. If you want respect, true respect, sincere respect, then you have to GIVE IT.

If you want respect, you have to do the things necessary to earn it each and every single day. There are no short cuts and no exceptions.

Respect cannot be compelled.

Respect cannot be bought.

Respect cannot be inherited.

Respect cannot be demanded at the muzzle of a gun or by beating it into somebody or by shaming them into it. Can not. You might get what you think is respect, but it's not. It's only the appearance of respect. It's fear, it's groveling, it's not respect. Far, far too many people both in and out of the military, people who should emphatically know better, do not understand this simple fact: there is an enormous difference between fear and respect.

Respect has to be earned.

Respect. Has. To. Be. Earned.

Respect has to be earned every day, by every word, by every action.

It takes a lifetime of words and deeds to earn respect.

It takes only one careless word, one thoughtless action, to lose it.

You have to be worthy of respect. You have to live up to, or at least do your best to live up to, those high ideals -- the ones America supposedly embodies, that shining city on the hill, that exceptional nation we talk about, yes, that one. To earn respect you have to be fair. You have to have courage. You must embrace reason. You have to know when to hold the line and when to compromise. You have to take responsibility and hold yourself accountable. You have to keep your word. You have to give respect, true respect, to get it back.

There are no short cuts. None.

Now, any veteran worth the label should know that. If they don't, then likely they weren't much of a soldier to begin with and you can tell them I said so.

IF Kaepernick doesn't feel his country respects him enough for him to respect it in return, well, then you can't MAKE him respect it.

You can not make him respect it.

If you try to force a man to respect you, you'll only make him respect you less.

With threats, by violence, by shame, you can maybe compel Kaepernick to stand up and put his hand over his heart and force him to be quiet. You might.

But that's not respect.

It's only the illusion of respect.

You might force this man into the illusion of respect. You might. Would you be satisfied then? Would that make you happy? Would that make you respect your nation, the one which forced a man into the illusion of respect, a nation of little clockwork patriots all pretending satisfaction and respect? Is that what you want? If THAT's what matters to you, the illusion of respect, then you're not talking about freedom or liberty. You're not talking about the United States of America. Instead you're talking about every dictatorship from the Nazis to North Korea where people are lined up and MADE to salute with the muzzle of a gun pressed to the back of their necks.

That, that illusion of respect, is not why I wore a uniform.

That's not why I held up my right hand and swore the oath and put my life on the line for my country.

That, that illusion of respect, is not why I am a veteran.

Not so a man should be forced to show respect he doesn't feel.

That's called slavery and I have no respect for that at all.

If Americans want this man to respect America, then first they must respect him.

If America wants the world's respect, it must be worthy of respect.

America must be worthy of respect. Torture, rendition, indefinite detention, unarmed black men shot down in the street every day, poverty, inequality, voter suppression, racism, bigotry in every form, obstructionism, blind patriotism, NONE of those things are worthy of respect from anybody -- least of all an American.

But doesn't it also mean that if Kaepernick wants respect, he must give it first? Give it to America? Be worthy of respect himself? Stand up, shut up, and put his hand over his heart before Old Glory?

No. It doesn't.

Respect doesn't work that way.

Power flows from positive to negative. Electricity flows from greater potential to lesser.

The United States isn't a person, it's a vast construct, a framework of law and order and civilization designed to protect the weak from the ruthless and after more than two centuries of revision and refinement it exists to provide in equal measure for all of us the opportunity for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The United States is POWER.

All the power rests with America. Just as it does in the military chain of command. And like that chain of command, like the electrical circuit described above, respect must flow from greater to lesser FIRST before it can return.

To you the National Anthem means one thing, to Kaepernick it means something else. We are all shaped and defined by our experiences and we see the world through our own eyes. That's freedom. That's liberty. The right to believe differently. The right to protest as you will. The right to demand better. The right to believe your country can BE better, that it can live up to its sacred ideals, and the right to loudly note that it has NOT. The right to use your voice, your actions, to bring attention to the things you believe in. The right to want more for others, freedom, liberty, justice, equality, and RESPECT.

A true veteran might not agree with Colin Kaepernick, but a true veteran would fight to the death to protect his right to say what he believes.

You don't like what Kaepernick has to say? Then prove him wrong, BE the nation he can respect.

It's really just that simple.


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"I think the dislike of Kaepernick is inappropriate and un-American"

disliking someone because of their opinion is actually also very American.


You are probably right. Only taking actions to prevent Kap is un-American.



Kaepernick is un-American.
Criticizing Kaepernick is un-American.
Criticizing those who criticize Kaepernick is un-American.

What if we're all just not American?


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Kaepernick's pig police socks have got the police people all ticked off at Roger Goodell.

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I'd take Kaepernick in a heartbeat. He can still be a very good QB and I like him better than Cam.

Still like him better than Cam.

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