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Kaep rockin a Fidel Castro shirt post game presser. Is there any chance this dumbass wore this unironically?

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I guess he found a new country!

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I think someone must've told him because it has Malcolm X on it that it's ok to wear .

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I think someone must've told him because it has Malcolm X on it that it's ok to wear .


Well Cuba has less income inequality and is certainly a fairer society- everyone is poor and oppressed.

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I think someone must've told him because it has Malcolm X on it that it's ok to wear .


Well Cuba has less income inequality and is certainly a fairer society- everyone is poor and oppressed.

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[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.

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Me either. Hell, I can't even fix stuff without simple instructions.

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Me either. Hell, I can't even fix stuff without simple instructions.
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
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[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.


Would jerking off during the national anthem be viewed as disrespectful, patriotic, or simply mental illness?

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Jbi11s wrote:
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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
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[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.


Would jerking off during the national anthem be viewed as disrespectful, patriotic, or simply mental illness?


It depends on who you are thinking of as you jerk off.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
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[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.


Would jerking off during the national anthem be viewed as disrespectful, patriotic, or simply mental illness?


It depends on who you are thinking of as you jerk off.

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Would jerking off during the national anthem be viewed as disrespectful, patriotic, or simply mental illness?


It depends on who you are thinking of as you jerk off.

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Every family, every race and every country has an ugly history

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Every family, every race and every country has an ugly history


The argument might be, is that history informing the present, and if so, what do we do about it?

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Pretty good one minute speech here...

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/stan-verrett-on-kaepernick-lets-pay-as-much-attention-1785928720

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
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[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.

Isn't the main issue he brought up current police conduct? Not really the history.

Instead of ending America maybe he thinks we can "end or slow down murder of citizens by police"


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If only Kaepernick had said that instead of what he said then the discussion would be completely different.

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Mucho generalization.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
Drake LaRrieta wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
[i]August 29, 2016, 01:47 pm
Kaepernick picked right fight in 'Star-Spangled Banner' beef
By Chuck Hobbs, contributor

Due to God's gift of curiosity, I have a rather extensive knowledge of American history and often write about the subject in my articles and blogs.


But the Colin Kaepernick "Star-Spangled Banner" controversy — one in which the embattled San Francisco 49ers quarterback has been blasted by internet trolls and racists ever since he chose to sit as the national anthem was played before his team's preseason game against the Green Bay Packers — compelled me to do some research, where I have learned the racist origins of that very song.
Consider these facts about Francis Scott Key, author of the national anthem:


If someone is going to get into the racism of the Star-Spangled Banner, at what point do they acknowledge that the Democrat party historically was the party of the Ku Klux Klan?


Who's talking republicans and democrats?


I think his point is, there's a lot of ugly history. That was the point of my "Ending America" thread. If we accept that black people are oppressed in 21st Century America (There are arguments to be made both ways.) and we grant that Kaepernick did a real service for society in pointing out said oppression and raising it as an issue that was being ignored, what do we do about it now? What is the answer? Surely, it doesn't end at sitting during the anthem. It seems to me that the only answer that would satisfy Kaepernick (and many others) would be to end America. How else could it possibly be repaired? You can't erase the history. And I'm sure in his new/reformed society, he wants to make damn sure that there is a mechanism to allow him to become one of the wealthier members of that society due to his ability to throw a football. That's certainly important.

Again, I don't care if you pull out your schlong and jerk it during the anthem. Knock yourself out. But standing respectfully and removing one's hat during the anthem isn't some endorsement of every action that has historically been taken by the U.S. government. It's a simple social grace. I certainly don't have pride in Russia, but if I were in Moscow I would stand during their anthem and I don't even know what the words mean. It's just one of many little things we do in societies that hold us together. Like saying, "Hi, how are you?" upon meeting someone. That's social grace. And it isn't seeking any other answer besides, "Great, how are you?" If you recite a litany of physical ailments, you have broken the social protocol, just as you have when you disrespect an anthem.

Isn't the main issue he brought up current police conduct? Not really the history.

Instead of ending America maybe he thinks we can "end or slow down murder of citizens by police"


I don't think that's been his focus, but I could be mistaken.

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color," Kaepernick said. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color," Kaepernick said. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


He's said a bunch of stuff. His complaints seem much more general than police shooting black men. Besides that, police shoot a lot of white men as well.

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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color," Kaepernick said. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


He's said a bunch of stuff. His complaints seem much more general than police shooting black men. Besides that, police shoot a lot of white men as well.

Black people shot at much higher rate but either way its not just the country's history. Its the current climate


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"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color," Kaepernick said. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder."


He's said a bunch of stuff. His complaints seem much more general than police shooting black men. Besides that, police shoot a lot of white men as well.

Black people shot at much higher rate but either way its not just the country's history. Its the current climate[/quote
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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.


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