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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:36 pm

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Makalu G wrote:

My health care will pay for glasses but not contacts. I may be over simplifying this issue, but it strikes me as a valid comparison. Your (hypothetical) form of birth control isn't covered under your company's policy. In my world... to bad, so sad. If I'm that adamant, maybe I shouldn't be working for a company so diametrically opposite to my world view...

Up until yesterday Hobby Lobby was legally required to provide those forms of birth control and today they don't have to because doing so apparently violates their religious freedoms.

If you've been reading what I've been writing here I don't see how Hobby Lobby's religious freedoms are violated (or are even implicated) by being required to provide a form of birth control that does not destroy a fertilized egg.

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The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Makalu G

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:03 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

Makalu G wrote:

LOL! "If you've been reading what I wrote"

I'm not arguing the ambiguity of the specifics, I'm just bothered by the idea of negotiated "company prvoided benefits" not meeting some arbitrary standard. Maybe it's law now, but I always thought health care was a benefit not a legal obligation.

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:06 pm

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That's cool. I thought we were discussing the Hobby Lobby ruling in this thread though.

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The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Makalu G

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:09 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

That's cool. I thought we were discussing the Hobby Lobby ruling in this thread though.

? How did I digress from the "topic"?

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Makalu G

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:09 pm

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:19 pm

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Makalu G wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

That's cool. I thought we were discussing the Hobby Lobby ruling in this thread though.

? How did I digress from the "topic"?

Maybe I missed it

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Maybe it's law now, but I always thought health care was a benefit not a legal obligation.

For a time it was, then a law was passed that made heath care coverage a legal obligation. Thereafter Hobby Lobby challenged the law on the basis that their obligation to provide certain forms of birth control violated their religious freedoms. The Supreme Court agreed and they are no longer required to provide those forms of birth control.

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The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 10:00 am

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SpiralStairs wrote:

Darkside wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Here's what I can't understand. Hobby Lobby's chief complaint was that being required to provide IUD's and Plan B would violate their religious freedom. But at the same time Hobby Lobby doesn't have an issue with covering vasectomies under their health insurance plan. Granted their not being required to cover vasectomies but that merely begs the question of why one type of birth control is okay but another is not.

Solid post. I have no fucking clue. Honestly, and this isn't meant to be mean, but Catholics confuse the shit out of me.

Maybe Seacrest can shed some light on this.

Are you looking for the Catholic Church's teachings on birth control Spiral?

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:02 am

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Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Darkside wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Solid post. I have no fucking clue. Honestly, and this isn't meant to be mean, but Catholics confuse the shit out of me.

Maybe Seacrest can shed some light on this.

Are you looking for the Catholic Church's teachings on birth control Spiral?

I could see why Catholics would have an issue with being required to cover any form of birth control, but Hobby Lobby is not a Catholic organization. Since IUDs and Plan B do not destroy fertilized eggs (ie. living human beings according to them) I don't see why Hobby Lobby would have an issue with being required to cover them under Obamacare.

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The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Don Tiny

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:07 pm

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Chus wrote:

Nor does Hobby Lobby have an issue buying cheap goods from China, where there are many state forced abortions.

Yeah, but that's a bunch of godless Chink fetuses (fetii ?) .... they probably think it's kinda like controlling the pet population.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:09 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Darkside wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Solid post. I have no fucking clue. Honestly, and this isn't meant to be mean, but Catholics confuse the shit out of me.

Maybe Seacrest can shed some light on this.

Are you looking for the Catholic Church's teachings on birth control Spiral?

SpiralStairs wrote:

In some instances, Plan B can destroy a fertilized egg.

I believe that is the issue that Hobby Lobby has with it.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:10 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

I believe that is the issue that Hobby Lobby has with it.

Does it keep Hobby Lobby up at night? Is Hobby Lobby afraid it won't get into Heaven?

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:15 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

I believe that is the issue that Hobby Lobby has with it.

Does it keep Hobby Lobby up at night? Is Hobby Lobby afraid it won't get into Heaven?

Do you realize who you are pandering to when you post things like this?

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The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:17 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

I believe that is the issue that Hobby Lobby has with it.

Does it keep Hobby Lobby up at night? Is Hobby Lobby afraid it won't get into Heaven?

Do you realize who you are pandering to when you post things like this?

Anyone with a brain who realizes that Hobby Lobby doesn't have feelings?

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:32 pm

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How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

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Seacrest wrote:

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:37 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

Plan B One-Step works like other birth control pills to prevent pregnancy. The drug acts primarily by stopping the release of an egg from the ovary. It may prevent a sperm from fertilizing the egg. If fertilization does occur, Plan B One-Step may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:39 pm

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Life begins the moment you think about sex. I create life like 100 times a day.

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Bagels

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:40 pm

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i love semantics....

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:41 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Life begins the moment you think about sex. I create life like 100 times a day.

Science has been in disagreement with you since Hippocrates.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:48 pm

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leashyourkids wrote:

Life begins the moment you think about sex. I create life like 100 times a day.

eww...that is a lot of kleenex

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leashyourkids

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:48 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Life begins the moment you think about sex. I create life like 100 times a day.

Science has been in disagreement with you since Hippocrates.

Who cares what that old hippie thought?

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:50 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

So it's not clear whether or not Plan-B actually destroys a fertilized egg. Instead it looks like Plan-B might prevent a fertilized egg from remaining in the womb. If that's the case why cover any medication that is potentially harmful to a fertilized egg?

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Seacrest wrote:

The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:06 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

That's an excellent question.

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The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:07 pm

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Bagels wrote:

i love semantics....

Please explain.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

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SomeGuy

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:13 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

The question would be: What happens to that fertilized egg after it has been prevented from remaining in the womb?

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Frank Coztansa

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:24 pm

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SomeGuy wrote:

What happens to that fertilized egg after it has been prevented from remaining in the womb?

Let this not be confused with the many eggs that are devoured by The Organization That Eats & Then Rates Breakfasts.

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Seacrest

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:27 pm

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SpiralStairs wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

SomeGuy wrote:

The question would be: What happens to that fertilized egg after it has been prevented from remaining in the womb?

My guess would be that it would be gone with the next menstrual cycle.

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SpiralStairs

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:03 pm

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Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

Seacrest wrote:

SpiralStairs wrote:

How is the egg destroyed? That is to say, by what process does Plan B or an IUD destroy an egg? Do hormones within the medication "kill" the egg or is fertilization prevented by some other means?

That's an excellent question.

Except Hobby Lobby only focused on contraceptives that may prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to the womb. They don't seem all that concerned about non-contraceptive medication that poses a potential threat to fertilized eggs.

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The menstrual cycle changes among Hassidic Jewish women was something as well.

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Chus

Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:00 pm

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Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2 ... objection/

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Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:17 pm

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Post subject: Re: SCOTUS

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:21 pm

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Chus wrote:

Hobby Lobby Invested In Numerous Abortion And Contraception Products While Claiming Religious Objection

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2 ... objection/

Looks like dem corporate devila aint walkin duh walk.

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