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Post subject: Re: GREEN BAY PACKERS ORGANIZATION

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:27 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

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That's fine. I dont really agree or disagree with that. I'm just saying that if you believe the Packers got lucky, then you believe every team to ever have long term success was too.

No. The Packers are very good at drafting. They have a very high success rate.

They drafted a guy who is likely the greatest of all time when he is done after 23 other teams passed on him. There was a lot of luck involved in that. If they knew what Rodgers was, they aren't risking the Raiders taking a flyer on him.

Well that's just obvious, common sense stuff.

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FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

That's fine. I dont really agree or disagree with that. I'm just saying that if you believe the Packers got lucky, then you believe every team to ever have long term success was too.

Well that's just obvious, common sense stuff.

So what are you arguing?

That is all people are saying here.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:

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I'd say a small part is luck. Him being available is somewhat lucky. Making the pick, having the organizational infrastructure, development program and complementary tools are far more important. If he was drafted by the Bears he would not be who he is today.

Its luck. Lots of it. You take it, but its lucky.

He would be better if he were drafted by the Bears. He would have been starting from year 1 or 2.

Actually Rodgers looked like a bust for the 1st couple of seasons. A combination of sitting behind Favre, maturation and developing a chip on his shoulder (due in part to fan criticism) sparked his development. I can honestly see why scouts were dubious.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:31 pm

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If you hit on 50% of your hires in the corporate world, then you are killing it.

The Pack regularly does that. The Bears haven't.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:32 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

That's fine. I dont really agree or disagree with that. I'm just saying that if you believe the Packers got lucky, then you believe every team to ever have long term success was too.

Well that's just obvious, common sense stuff.

So what are you arguing?

That is all people are saying here.

That has nothing to do with luck or skill. All you are saying is that the GM can't accurately predict the future. Why even bother saying that? It's like claiming Ted Thompson can't fly or jump 100 feet in the air.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:48 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

No. The context of the discussion here is clear. I'm not going to restate it.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:51 pm

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:

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No. The context of the discussion here is clear. I'm not going to restate it.

You don't need to restate it. There's not really a logical rebuttal for my post.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:55 pm

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Bears fans - stop embarrassing the rest of us. We haven't ever hit on a QB via draft pick or trade in our entire franchise history. If Green Bay is lucky, the Bears must be the unluckiest franchise ever.

... and the Cubs just got very lucky very quickly. :wink:

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:58 pm

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Its luck. Lots of it. You take it, but its lucky.

He would be better if he were drafted by the Bears. He would have been starting from year 1 or 2.

The whole "he's a system guy" and "Tedford QB's dont work" were perfectly reasonable thoughts at the time.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:12 pm

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highest number of drafted picks on a team, GB and the lowest...CHI

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:18 pm

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Has Green Bay had a good draft in the past four years?

Any Pro Bowlers drafted during that time?

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Tall Midget wrote:

Has Green Bay had a good draft in the past four years?

Any Pro Bowlers drafted during that time?

Dont always need Pro Bowl players lacey, Cobb, Nelson, all major impact players

One thing that should be looked at is that Rodgers is also 31, remember he sat for 4 years....he doesnt look like he is slowing down, but I would say he has been a bit fragile and big hit could end it for him quick.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:29 pm

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Drafts haven't been spectacular but plenty of solid starters:
Eddie Lacy
David Bakhtiari
Micah Hyde
Casey Hayward
Mike Daniels
Randall Cobb
Bryan Bulaga
Morgan Burnett
Andrew Quarless
Corey Linsley (R)

Then there are fringy guys that can back-up in a pinch:
Mike Neal
James Starks
Davon House
Nick Perry
Sam Barrington

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:32 pm

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Randall Cobb is definitely a pro bowl caliber player.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:38 pm

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bigfan wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Has Green Bay had a good draft in the past four years?

Any Pro Bowlers drafted during that time?

Nelson has been in the league since 2007. Lacey is pretty good. Cobb is good.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:40 pm

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Kirkwood wrote:

That's a pretty uninspiring list. It's not Phil Emery-bad, but there's not much there there. The Pack's superiority stems from its drafts prior to 2011.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:42 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Randall Cobb is definitely a pro bowl caliber player.

Good player. He doesn't make me shit my pants, though.

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Tall Midget wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Randall Cobb is definitely a pro bowl caliber player.

Good player. He doesn't make me shit my pants, though.

Do any NFL players?

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Tall Midget wrote:

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That's a pretty uninspiring list. It's not Phil Emery-bad, but there's not much there there. The Pack's superiority stems from its drafts prior to 2011.

I would just say Aaron Rodgers. He's had an awful pass blocking line for years and all he's done is shatter records.

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Tall Midget wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Randall Cobb is definitely a pro bowl caliber player.

Good player. He doesn't make me shit my pants, though.

Reminds me of Jennings.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:49 pm

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Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

That's a pretty uninspiring list. It's not Phil Emery-bad, but there's not much there there. The Pack's superiority stems from its drafts prior to 2011.

I would just say Aaron Rodgers. He's had an awful pass blocking line for years and all he's done is shatter records.

Put Cutler on the Pack and they are 3-7.

Put Rodgers on the Bears and we are at least 6-4.

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Tall Midget wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

That's a pretty uninspiring list. It's not Phil Emery-bad, but there's not much there there. The Pack's superiority stems from its drafts prior to 2011.

I partially agree. He hasn't had any homers like a Justin Houston in the 3rd. But, look at a guy like Bakhtiari. He's been a day one starter at LT since his rookie year on a rookie contract. That's tremendous value.

He's had a poor record in the 1st round but compensated by digging up above average players like Hayward, Cobb and Lacy in the 2nd round.

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I actually forgot that Lacy made the Pro Bowl last year. So there ya go Midge. :lol:

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Nas wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

That's a pretty uninspiring list. It's not Phil Emery-bad, but there's not much there there. The Pack's superiority stems from its drafts prior to 2011.

I would just say Aaron Rodgers. He's had an awful pass blocking line for years and all he's done is shatter records.

Put Cutler on the Pack and they are 3-7.

Put Rodgers on the Bears and we are at least 6-4.

We would have won at least 1 SB in the past 6 years. He's a great QB. He's had to overcome some awful defenses and offensive lines.

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If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. Jay is your quarterback.

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FavreFan wrote:

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. Jay is your quarterback.

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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:50 pm

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Whole lot of jealousy going on here, FavreFan don't fall into the trap.

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Why would a Bears fan be jealous of a Packer? Which team is ahead in this rivalry?

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Nas wrote:

Why would a Bears fan be jealous of a Packer? Which team is ahead in this rivalry?

I only count since 1992, so what ya got?

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Nas wrote:

Why would a Bears fan be jealous of a Packer? Which team is ahead in this rivalry?

That depends.... Do you think Tom Brady or Peyton Manning is better? :wink:

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