It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 11:01 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:42 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
Fournette & McCaffrey out of bowl games.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79868
seems like a dick move to me and I would certainly note it as a talent evaluator but I do understand that there are a lot of people making money from these games, none of whom will be employing you should something happen

I see both sides to this

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:09 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27570
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
I like it, I hope it catches on and forces these greedy pricks to pay these kids. There are way too many shitty teams in bowls, I know Fournette would be playing if this was a championship game but the kid should have been able to turn pro last year.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
Good for them though they can have insurance polices.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:23 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Hadn't heard about McCaffrey yet, but good for him too. Hell, I'm still trying to figure out which one previously is/was the Foster Farms(?) Bowl.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:17 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu May 26, 2005 2:46 pm
Posts: 6251
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
I do understand it, but I wish these guys would play in the bowl games.

For me as a person, it would be hard to watch my teammates out there, playing the game, and I'm sitting out of it, not because of injury.

I know Fournette, will probably be a first rounder, Mccafrey thinking second, could be that one more time to showcase your talent and get a better draft pick too.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:53 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79868
reents wrote:
I do understand it, but I wish these guys would play in the bowl games.

For me as a person, it would be hard to watch my teammates out there, playing the game, and I'm sitting out of it, not because of injury.

I know Fournette, will probably be a first rounder, Mccafrey thinking second, could be that one more time to showcase your talent and get a better draft pick too.


If he's willing to quit on people he has built deep friendships with over the years, he will certainly do it for a less personal professional team.

Why not quit mid season as soon as draft position has been cemented?

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:17 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
good dolphin wrote:
reents wrote:
I do understand it, but I wish these guys would play in the bowl games.

For me as a person, it would be hard to watch my teammates out there, playing the game, and I'm sitting out of it, not because of injury.

I know Fournette, will probably be a first rounder, Mccafrey thinking second, could be that one more time to showcase your talent and get a better draft pick too.


If he's willing to quit on people he has built deep friendships with over the years, he will certainly do it for a less personal professional team.

Why not quit mid season as soon as draft position has been cemented?


At some point you will see Rbs in particular sit out their 3rd season of college.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
At some point you will see Rbs in particular sit out their 3rd season of college.
I don't see that happening for two reasons. One is that many of them are being paid under the table. The second is that NFL teams will hold that against them. NFL teams are already starting to drop players on their draft boards that are too smart and likely to quit early. NFL teams won't care you skipped the Sun Bowl. They will care that you chose not to play football for 18 months.

What I could see happening is that college running backs will require coaches to put them on a carries limit.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:35 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
Boilermaker Rick wrote:

What I could see happening is that college running backs will require coaches to put them on a carries limit.


There is a better chance of them sitting out a season then that happening.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79868
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
At some point you will see Rbs in particular sit out their 3rd season of college.
I don't see that happening for two reasons. One is that many of them are being paid under the table. The second is that NFL teams will hold that against them. NFL teams are already starting to drop players on their draft boards that are too smart and likely to quit early. NFL teams won't care you skipped the Sun Bowl. They will care that you chose not to play football for 18 months.

What I could see happening is that college running backs will require coaches to put them on a carries limit.


Sitting out is only an option for a limited few who have cemented their draft status (in terms of on field production).

I would look at these guys like I look at Alshon. How could I possibly give them a big, long term contract when I know they will not answer the bell every week.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:37 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 42923
Sitting out a meaningless bowl game like the Beef O'Brady's Bowl would be equal to sitting out the 4th preseason game in the NFL. Who cares?

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:

What I could see happening is that college running backs will require coaches to put them on a carries limit.


There is a better chance of them sitting out a season then that happening.
Why? Every coach will choose the carries limit if they are so much of a stud they know they are a lock to be a high NFL draft pick.

Sitting out a whole season as a running back will drop them way down draft boards. A carries limit will not and the coach gets to use them in bigger games while not running them down against Vanderbilt.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:45 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79868
Douchebag wrote:
Sitting out a meaningless bowl game like the Beef O'Brady's Bowl would be equal to sitting out the 4th preseason game in the NFL. Who cares?


We will see who cares. The market will end this immediately if either guy loses draft position.

The teams spend a lot of money testing for mental makeup and character.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:

What I could see happening is that college running backs will require coaches to put them on a carries limit.


There is a better chance of them sitting out a season then that happening.
Why? Every coach will choose the carries limit if they are so much of a stud they know they are a lock to be a high NFL draft pick.

Sitting out a whole season as a running back will drop them way down draft boards. A carries limit will not and the coach gets to use them in bigger games while not running them down against Vanderbilt.


So if Michigan is playing Ohio St for a berth in the CFP, the coach is going is to sit their stud running back after he hits a carry limit? Never happens.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
So if Michigan is playing Ohio St for a berth in the CFP, the coach is going is to sit their stud running back after he hits a carry limit? Never happens.
The coach won't let him reach his carries limit before the Michigan-OSU game. If he does, then the player has the right to do the same thing these guys are doing.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
So if Michigan is playing Ohio St for a berth in the CFP, the coach is going is to sit their stud running back after he hits a carry limit? Never happens.
The coach won't let him reach his carries limit before the Michigan-OSU game. If he does, then the player has the right to do the same thing these guys are doing.


An arbitrary number of carries per season is not a good way to keep a guy healthy.

Giving a back 10 carries vs Rutgers is not helping stay healthy if he gets 45 carries vs Ohio St.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 22543
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
I love how the NFL and the NCAA make every decision for money and of course it's great, but as soon as a college kid does it he's a malcontent. Another reason that even though CFB is a my favorite sport it's also the most deserving of getting blown up.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
So if Michigan is playing Ohio St for a berth in the CFP, the coach is going is to sit their stud running back after he hits a carry limit? Never happens.
The coach won't let him reach his carries limit before the Michigan-OSU game. If he does, then the player has the right to do the same thing these guys are doing.


An arbitrary number of carries per season is not a good way to keep a guy healthy.

Giving a back 10 carries vs Rutgers is not helping stay healthy if he gets 45 carries vs Ohio St.
Are you just looking for an argument now?

I have no reason to respond to your comment. It has nothing to do with what I said.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 79868
sports seem to be becoming less competitive at the higher levels and more at the lower

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
It has everything to do with what you said. You said they should have a carry limit, you then responded the coach should make sure not to go over the limit before they get to a big game at the end of the season.

Saving their carries for bigger games does not help keep the player healthy.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
It has everything to do with what you said. You said they should have a carry limit, you then responded the coach should make sure not to go over the limit before they get to a big game at the end of the season.

Saving their carries for bigger games does not help keep the player healthy.
Sure it does. You created an extreme example of 45 carries in a game which has nothing to do with what I said.

You set a carries limit at the start of the season and if you expect to crush Vanderbilt then you give other guys more of a chance and when you play a top team you give them the normal amount of carries.

The idea of a carries limit is not a difficult concept. Are you saying it would be impossible if your star RB demanded it?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:16 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:19 am
Posts: 23917
pizza_Place: Jimmy's Place
I sniff glue but draw the limit at 4xday.

_________________
Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm
Posts: 18919
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
It has everything to do with what you said. You said they should have a carry limit, you then responded the coach should make sure not to go over the limit before they get to a big game at the end of the season.

Saving their carries for bigger games does not help keep the player healthy.
Sure it does. You created an extreme example of 45 carries in a game which has nothing to do with what I said.

You set a carries limit at the start of the season and if you expect to crush Vanderbilt then you give other guys more of a chance and when you play a top team you give them the normal amount of carries.

The idea of a carries limit is not a difficult concept. Are you saying it would be impossible if your star RB demanded it?


Nothing is impossible. It is just not feasible. The coach is paid millions of dollars to win games. He is not going to handcuff himself with a set number of carries throughout a game or season. It will also not protect the player as they will be used much more in the games that are against better and likely more physical teams.

_________________
Frank Coztansa wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Not over yet.
Yes it is.


CDOM wrote:
When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 88693
Location: To the left of my post
conns7901 wrote:
Nothing is impossible. It is just not feasible. The coach is paid millions of dollars to win games. He is not going to handcuff himself with a set number of carries throughout a game or season. It will also not protect the player as they will be used much more in the games that are against better and likely more physical teams.
He will if he wants to win. They do it all the time in early season games or in blowouts. Once again, a carries limit is not some foreign concept. You also don't seem to grasp the concept that less carries = less chance of injury. Why do you think these guys are sitting out the bowl game?

If a coach is given the choice of having a guy sit out or a carries limit he will choose the carries limit. You seem to think players are going to sit out and not play football for 18 months and the NFL won't care.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27570
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
reents wrote:
I do understand it, but I wish these guys would play in the bowl games.

For me as a person, it would be hard to watch my teammates out there, playing the game, and I'm sitting out of it, not because of injury.

I know Fournette, will probably be a first rounder, Mccafrey thinking second, could be that one more time to showcase your talent and get a better draft pick too.






Jaylon Smith cost himself 20 million, more n more guys will take a pass in these meaningless garbage bowls.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu May 26, 2005 2:46 pm
Posts: 6251
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
Jaylon SMith, said if he had to do it all over again, he would played in the Fiesta Bowl still.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -bowl-game

From Bruce Arians on players skipping Bowl games

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... oncern-me/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:50 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu May 26, 2005 2:46 pm
Posts: 6251
pizza_Place: Pizza Hut
good dolphin wrote:
reents wrote:
I do understand it, but I wish these guys would play in the bowl games.

For me as a person, it would be hard to watch my teammates out there, playing the game, and I'm sitting out of it, not because of injury.

I know Fournette, will probably be a first rounder, Mccafrey thinking second, could be that one more time to showcase your talent and get a better draft pick too.


If he's willing to quit on people he has built deep friendships with over the years, he will certainly do it for a less personal professional team.

Why not quit mid season as soon as draft position has been cemented?


True on both points


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:05 am
Posts: 28664
pizza_Place: Clamburger's
good dolphin wrote:
sports seem to be becoming less competitive at the higher levels and more at the lower

Are you just unable to see situations from multiple perspectives?

_________________
Nardi wrote:
Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:52 pm
Posts: 12551
Location: Ex-Naperville, Ex-Homewood, Now Tinley Park
pizza_Place: Oh I'm sorry but, there's no one on the line
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
Nothing is impossible. It is just not feasible. The coach is paid millions of dollars to win games. He is not going to handcuff himself with a set number of carries throughout a game or season. It will also not protect the player as they will be used much more in the games that are against better and likely more physical teams.
He will if he wants to win. They do it all the time in early season games or in blowouts. Once again, a carries limit is not some foreign concept. You also don't seem to grasp the concept that less carries = less chance of injury. Why do you think these guys are sitting out the bowl game?

If a coach is given the choice of having a guy sit out or a carries limit he will choose the carries limit. You seem to think players are going to sit out and not play football for 18 months and the NFL won't care.

The problem you run into is if you have a highly talented bunch of starters, and no depth, you are going to be losing games if you have them on play limits. And how do you defend that in the press -- you could have gone 9-2, but because your RB only wants to carry 150 times a season and your DB only wants to come in on 3rd down passing situations, you have to put weaker players in and go 7-4? The difference between the Rose Bowl and the Motor City Bowl. I guess you could try to say this would help recruiting as you are permitting players to save themselves for the NFL, but unless you are already an established coach, you don't have too much time before winning becomes expected and you are cut loose for too many 6 and 7 win seasons.

_________________
"All crowds boycotting football games shouldn't care who sings or takes a knee because they aren't watching." - Nas


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 34 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group