It is currently Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:15 pm

View unanswered posts | View active topics


Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » NCAA FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]



Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 4 of 4
  [ 118 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Author Message
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
KDdidit wrote:
The minute they went to 4 team playoff the bowls were devalued. Previously the bowls were devalued when they were too many. Before that they were devalued when they threw out the weird fixed Big 8 #3 team vs. Pac 8 #5 team for "better" matchups. Bowls mean as much as they did at their peak relevance, which is still nothing unless you're a top 2 or 3 team. They're still just as entertaining because you have the MACtion type shootouts between teams you've never heard of, good games between good teams, and dog food games where some #5-#10 pedigree team is playing like they'd rather be anywhere else in the world at that moment, just like the old days

Saban said this back in 2015....he said, either have one system or the other, but not both a playoff and a bowl system.

I'm fine with both. There were some great games this year, and allegiances are a lot of fun. I just hope they don't try to turn this into the NFL.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
hnd
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:25 pm
Posts: 4216
pizza_Place: pizza and subs
once again, we can pretend the regular season in college football is important and interesting but its not. 1/3 of the season is basically complete garbage as constructed. you get a handful of meaningful Oregon/OSU type games that are on television but the rest of the top 25 teams are playing weber state and central michigan.

1/4 of all college football regular season games are 30+point blowouts. like 1/4-1/3 of them are <10 points.

I can't say a larger playoff field fixes that organically but i'm talking about the alleged special nature of the college football regular season. all because we are infatuated with the idea that the occasional underdog wins.
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
hnd wrote:
once again, we can pretend the regular season in college football is important and interesting but its not. 1/3 of the season is basically complete garbage as constructed. you get a handful of meaningful Oregon/OSU type games that are on television but the rest of the top 25 teams are playing weber state and central michigan.

1/4 of all college football regular season games are 30+point blowouts. like 1/4-1/3 of them are <10 points.

I can't say a larger playoff field fixes that organically but i'm talking about the alleged special nature of the college football regular season. all because we are infatuated with the idea that the occasional underdog wins.

There's no way you watch college football.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Jbi11s
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:05 am
Posts: 28664
pizza_Place: Clamburger's
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Jbi11s wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Don’t love the bye setup but it theoretically gives ND a chance to host an easy playoff game. Maybe they’ll actually win something.


Image

ND-Utah would’ve moved meters this year.

Image

_________________
Nardi wrote:
Weird, I see Dolphin looking in my asshole
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
Besides, Central Michigan was good this year and will be even better next year.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
hnd
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:25 pm
Posts: 4216
pizza_Place: pizza and subs
you can pretend all you want. peoples affinity for their favorite teams shield them for the reality that the non conference schedule is basically garbage for the majority of games.
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
hnd wrote:
you can pretend all you want. peoples affinity for their favorite teams shield them for the reality that the non conference schedule is basically garbage for the majority of games.

I'm talking conference schedules

Non-conference games help smaller programs pay their bills. They're a necessity at this point. They also haven't stopped Alabama from winning when they need to.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
KDdidit
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:28 am
Posts: 22612
Location: Boofoo Zoo
pizza_Place: Chuck E Cheese
And MANY point to the advent of the playoff system as where the best teams stopped finding it worth the risk to ever play tough OoC games.
Top
 Profile  
 
One Post
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:28 am
Posts: 3844
Brick wrote:
One Post wrote:
Brick wrote:
One Post wrote:
Brick, there are tons of really good college basketball regular season games, way more really good regular season games in CBB than CFF, nobody is disputing that, they are good and entertaining and all of that.

They are also completely irrelevant in the larger context of the sport. That is, who wins or loses that really good game is completely irrelevant in the larger context of the CBB season.
They are only irrelevant if the only thing that matters is whether you make the tournament or not.

Then again, 95% of P5 and every game not involving Cincinnati this year outside of it had no tournament implications either. ND/Cincy decided the 4th team in the playoff. OSU/Michigan decided who would make the tournament. Georgia/Alabama didn't really matter but other games played by them did. You could say that Baylor/Ok State mattered but both finished far away from the playoff.

In a 12 team playoff, you likely have even more meaningful games as you have 12 teams building a resume to make it rather than 4.


If we follows your bold logic, then if we have 24 teams in the playoff there will be even more meaningful games because you have 24 teams trying to build a resume?

And we can go even further and say if we have 100 teams then there will be more meaningful games because you have 100 teams trying to build a resume?

Also, your CBB can't compete because of the NFL doesn't hold water in that CFB, which still probably has the most meaningful regular season in all of sports seems to compete just fine LITERALLY going head to head with the NFL.

Long ago CBB chose to sacrifice any relevance its regular season has at the expense of unquestionably the best post season tournament in sports. It's not a virtue or a vice, it is just what it is. For about 100 years college football had the most relevant regular season, and probably still does. If they mimic what CBB has done, then we know the regular season will be incrementally devalued with each team added to the post season tournament.

What a straw man argument. You want good teams.


Want good teams for what? A post season tournament? That's not what college football has been for it's first 100 years.

The more teams that you add to the tournament, the worse those teams are, it's just that simple. Now you add more teams, you just add more contrived chances for the top teams to lose. That's why the CFF regular season has so much importance, it's already the gauntlet you need to run.

I mean it's pretty simple, CBB has set up a system whereby after the regular season there is one large tournament to decide the champion. You can literally win zero regular season CBB games and make the field of 64, literally win zero regular season games and win the national title.
Top
 Profile  
 
hnd
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:02 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:25 pm
Posts: 4216
pizza_Place: pizza and subs
Wayne Kerr wrote:
hnd wrote:
you can pretend all you want. peoples affinity for their favorite teams shield them for the reality that the non conference schedule is basically garbage for the majority of games.

I'm talking conference schedules

Non-conference games help smaller programs pay their bills. They're a necessity at this point. They also haven't stopped Alabama from winning when they need to.


what other 1/4 of the schedule did you think i was referring to? and I clearly say it had nothing to do with fixing the playoff system, just throwing water on this magical regular season hubbub.

but you can fix smaller programs getting money. the NCAA will make more money when non conference games aren't 50 point blowouts. create a distribution system.
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
KDdidit wrote:
And MANY point to the advent of the playoff system as where the best teams stopped finding it worth the risk to ever play tough OoC games.

Boise State started that when they got good.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
Brick
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:57 pm
Posts: 89034
Location: To the left of my post
One Post wrote:
Brick wrote:
One Post wrote:
Brick wrote:
One Post wrote:
Brick, there are tons of really good college basketball regular season games, way more really good regular season games in CBB than CFF, nobody is disputing that, they are good and entertaining and all of that.

They are also completely irrelevant in the larger context of the sport. That is, who wins or loses that really good game is completely irrelevant in the larger context of the CBB season.
They are only irrelevant if the only thing that matters is whether you make the tournament or not.

Then again, 95% of P5 and every game not involving Cincinnati this year outside of it had no tournament implications either. ND/Cincy decided the 4th team in the playoff. OSU/Michigan decided who would make the tournament. Georgia/Alabama didn't really matter but other games played by them did. You could say that Baylor/Ok State mattered but both finished far away from the playoff.

In a 12 team playoff, you likely have even more meaningful games as you have 12 teams building a resume to make it rather than 4.


If we follows your bold logic, then if we have 24 teams in the playoff there will be even more meaningful games because you have 24 teams trying to build a resume?

And we can go even further and say if we have 100 teams then there will be more meaningful games because you have 100 teams trying to build a resume?

Also, your CBB can't compete because of the NFL doesn't hold water in that CFB, which still probably has the most meaningful regular season in all of sports seems to compete just fine LITERALLY going head to head with the NFL.

Long ago CBB chose to sacrifice any relevance its regular season has at the expense of unquestionably the best post season tournament in sports. It's not a virtue or a vice, it is just what it is. For about 100 years college football had the most relevant regular season, and probably still does. If they mimic what CBB has done, then we know the regular season will be incrementally devalued with each team added to the post season tournament.

What a straw man argument. You want good teams.


Want good teams for what? A post season tournament? That's not what college football has been for it's first 100 years.

The more teams that you add to the tournament, the worse those teams are, it's just that simple. Now you add more teams, you just add more contrived chances for the top teams to lose. That's why the CFF regular season has so much importance, it's already the gauntlet you need to run.

I mean it's pretty simple, CBB has set up a system whereby after the regular season there is one large tournament to decide the champion. You can literally win zero regular season CBB games and make the field of 64, literally win zero regular season games and win the national title.

Well technically you can win 0 regular season games in college football and make the playoffs.

Both are equally likely to happen.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
hnd wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
hnd wrote:
you can pretend all you want. peoples affinity for their favorite teams shield them for the reality that the non conference schedule is basically garbage for the majority of games.

I'm talking conference schedules

Non-conference games help smaller programs pay their bills. They're a necessity at this point. They also haven't stopped Alabama from winning when they need to.


what other 1/4 of the schedule did you think i was referring to? and I clearly say it had nothing to do with fixing the playoff system, just throwing water on this magical regular season hubbub.

but you can fix smaller programs getting money. the NCAA will make more money when non conference games aren't 50 point blowouts. create a distribution system.

No, that was my bad. I see what you are saying now.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:38 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
Regular Reader wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
And MANY point to the advent of the playoff system as where the best teams stopped finding it worth the risk to ever play tough OoC games.

Boise State started that when they got good.

Fresno State during the 70s and 80s

But complaints about playing cupcakes dates back to at least the 1980s.

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:44 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
TCU was like that for a while....maybe South Florida or UCF today

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Wayne Kerr wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
And MANY point to the advent of the playoff system as where the best teams stopped finding it worth the risk to ever play tough OoC games.

Boise State started that when they got good.

Fresno State during the 70s and 80s

But complaints about playing cupcakes dates back to at least the 1980s.


I'm going to get pilloried for this, but I actually love watching the big blowouts where second and third stringers get some shine time a couple times a year. Just like watching teams getting flummoxed by Army and Navy each year.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Wayne Kerr wrote:
TCU was like that for a while....maybe South Florida or UCF today

Appalachian state did that what, twice?

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
Regular Reader wrote:
Wayne Kerr wrote:
TCU was like that for a while....maybe South Florida or UCF today

Appalachian state did that what, twice?

At least twice. Michigan and the Chanticleers

One good thing about TCU and Boise State was that they had a killer rivalry for about ten years....

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80165
NIU was there as well, even beating Alabama.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
good dolphin wrote:
NIU was there as well, even beating Alabama.

19-16, at Bama!!

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
good dolphin wrote:
NIU was there as well, even beating Alabama.


For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:15 pm
Posts: 48768
Location: Bohemian Club Annual World Power Consolidation Conference & Golf Outing
pizza_Place: World Fluoridation Conspiracy Pizza & WINGS!
Regular Reader wrote:
For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D


I could take a pretty confident guess for the reason.

_________________
https://twitter.com/DrKenCast
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D


I could take a pretty confident guess for the reason.

But but the next season I was pissed when they got pumped in Pasadena. And in 84 when I had season tickets.

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
good dolphin
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:12 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80165
Regular Reader wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D


I could take a pretty confident guess for the reason.

But but the next season I was pissed when they got pumped in Pasadena. And in 84 when I had season tickets.


That Rose Bowl trip was a pretty big deal in Chicago. I was only in grade school and the pop radio stations made songs for them. Dahl even did a remote broadcast from California. I got one of those old time looking posters for the game as a promotional item from a sporting goods store. I wish I still had it as it would probably be worth good money.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
Top
 Profile  
 
hnd
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:25 pm
Posts: 4216
pizza_Place: pizza and subs
KDdidit wrote:
And MANY point to the advent of the playoff system as where the best teams stopped finding it worth the risk to ever play tough OoC games.


they still existed, but the games were even worse because math dictated much of the BCS.
Top
 Profile  
 
Regular Reader
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:10 pm
Posts: 38609
Location: "Across 110th Street"
good dolphin wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D


I could take a pretty confident guess for the reason.

But but the next season I was pissed when they got pumped in Pasadena. And in 84 when I had season tickets.


That Rose Bowl trip was a pretty big deal in Chicago. I was only in grade school and the pop radio stations made songs for them. Dahl even did a remote broadcast from California. I got one of those old time looking posters for the game as a promotional item from a sporting goods store. I wish I still had it as it would probably be worth good money.

It was nuts. The tv stations followed them from Lawry's to Disneyland to iirc, the Playboy mansion.

And then blamed the loss on the team "not having been focused".

_________________
There are only two examples of infinity: The universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the universe.
Top
 Profile  
 
Drunk Squirrel
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:07 pm
Posts: 7914
Location: A large oak tree.
pizza_Place: Nowhere
good dolphin wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D


I could take a pretty confident guess for the reason.

But but the next season I was pissed when they got pumped in Pasadena. And in 84 when I had season tickets.


That Rose Bowl trip was a pretty big deal in Chicago. I was only in grade school and the pop radio stations made songs for them. Dahl even did a remote broadcast from California. I got one of those old time looking posters for the game as a promotional item from a sporting goods store. I wish I still had it as it would probably be worth good money.



I recall the The Fighting Illini in Pasadena parody of the Little old landy from but that is the only one. Was just a young lad at the time.
Top
 Profile  
 
Wayne Kerr
 Post subject: Re: CFP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:21 pm
Posts: 663
pizza_Place: Angie's
Regular Reader wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
NIU was there as well, even beating Alabama.


For whatever reason I just remembered an Illinois Michigan game in 81 or 82 where the illness jumped out to a 21-0 lead

Thought they had a shot and lost 70-21 iirc. :D

I actually remember this. They broke into another game to announce it.

Looks like Eason had them driving at 21-7. Then he threw an interception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVwdwN5 ... eHistorian

_________________
W_Z wrote:
we continue to live in a real-time "monsters are due on maple street."
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 4 of 4
  [ 118 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

Board index » CHICAGO AND NATIONAL TEAMS » NCAA FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group