Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
So, where does an illustrious bdh like JORR take in the Derby?
I will be at Hawthorne in the Gold Cup Room. Then going to watch the fight at Guadalajara.
Sounds elitist
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Kentucky Derby |
No standout this year. Who ya got? |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Battalion Runner & Malagacy out Lookin At Lee and Sonneteer in Leaning toward McCraken waiting for PP to be drawn |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Patch |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Lookin At Lee and Sonneteer in Those are both dangerous horses. I don't know about betting a maiden in the Derby, but I'd say Sonneteer has a better chance than most maidens would. The way he's closed in his last two- especially in the Ark Derby- has been eye-catching. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: Lookin At Lee and Sonneteer in Those are both dangerous horses. I don't know about betting a maiden in the Derby, but I'd say Sonneteer has a better chance than most maidens would. The way he's closed in his last two- especially in the Ark Derby- has been eye-catching. Is that a shot at Patch? |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
leashyourkids wrote: Patch Gave Patch a quick looky see and I wouldn't be surprised...not a lot with 100 speed figure and 2nd to the probable favorite.....good luck Leash |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Gormley's a good dark horse. classic empire is coming in hot. this won't be a slam dunk like last year was, i feel. |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
W_Z wrote: Gormley's a good dark horse. I wouldn't be shocked if Gormley won the race. Prior to the Santa Anita Derby I thought he appeared as if he didn't really want to go a distance of ground despite his pedigree which definitely suggests a classic horse. I don't really like the way they lugged home in the Santa Anita. The pace was very quick, still, Gormley's 40 second plus final 3/8 doesn't thrill me. He's the only horse in the field from Turk Mare Family 23-b. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
http://interactives.courier-journal.com/docs/derby2017/derby.pdf |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
So, where does an illustrious bdh like JORR take in the Derby? |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Regular Reader wrote: So, where does an illustrious bdh like JORR take in the Derby? I will be at Hawthorne in the Gold Cup Room. Then going to watch the fight at Guadalajara. |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So, where does an illustrious bdh like JORR take in the Derby? I will be at Hawthorne in the Gold Cup Room. Then going to watch the fight at Guadalajara. Sounds elitist
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Here are some pedigree angles: Raise A Native Sire Line: Always Dreaming Classic Empire Lookin At Lee Sonneteer Hence Irish War Cry Battle of Midway Buckpasser X Chromosome: Gunnevera Classic Empire Hence Patch Irap McCraken Irish War Cry Lathrop's Conduit Mares: Battle Of Midway (Court Dress) Fast And Accurate (Marchetta) Practical Joke (Countess Wanda) Female Families: Gormley (23b) Hence (4m) (Intrepid) Classic Empire (4m) (Intrepid) Thunder Snow (4k) Fast And Accurate (1w) These families produce an inordinate amount of Derby winners and classic distance horses: http://www.tbheritage.com/TurfHallmarks ... tucky.html |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Regular Reader wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Regular Reader wrote: So, where does an illustrious bdh like JORR take in the Derby? I will be at Hawthorne in the Gold Cup Room. Then going to watch the fight at Guadalajara. Sounds elitist Not really. I think spmack will be up there too. 
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| Author: | newper [ Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Box Always Dreaming, Irish War Cry, State of Honor, and Gormley. |
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| Author: | W_Z [ Mon May 01, 2017 6:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
of course we have to hear from eddie o before making any decisions first. it'll be an interesting day. there's an OTB down the street we'll probably go to. last year was a mobfest but we got there like 10 minutes before post time. afterwards, going to see tommy davidson. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon May 01, 2017 7:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
used to reserve a table at the OTB........but I go on Friday bet the Oaks and Derby.Bet the pre Derby Races on line. Derby Day is amateur day....hate going to the widow and hear Kentucky Derby Classic Empire,,,no amount what type of wager...fuck that bullshit |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon May 01, 2017 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: You to reserve a table at the OTB........but I go on Friday bet the Oaks and Derby.Bet the pre Derby Races on line. Derby Day is amateur day....hate going to the widow and hear Kentucky Derby Classic Empire,,,no amount what type of wager...fuck that bullshit I have a lot more patience for those people than I do for the scumbags that go every goddamn day and still have never learned any betting etiquette. As a guy who grew up in the grandstand at Sportsman's Park, Arlington, and Hawthorne like I did I'm sure you'll agree with this. We had to learn how to call off our bets quickly and correctly or we'd have guys in line behind motherfucking us with a vengeance. You learned pretty quickly not to handicap at the window and not to put your elbows on the counter and settle in to slowly call off bets. At my local OTBs, previously Lucky Magee's and now Players, there are a bunch of fucking assholes with total disregard for anyone else. Most of them are Assyrians but there is a Jamaican contingent that is just the worst. These guys stand in front of the machines and read the program. They bet dime supers and seem like they are selecting the numbers as they go. I've gotten in beefs with these goofs on several occasions. You know, I wouldn't do that to somebody else. It's especially bad now with a million tracks going. The race you want to bet is going to the gate and the guy in front of you is betting something at Mountaineer that isn't going to load for twenty minutes. Fuck those guys. I can see why people bet online but I really don't want a record of my play out there. |
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| Author: | spmack [ Mon May 01, 2017 10:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
That shit pisses me off JORR, that's why I just do everything from the Hawthorne app. My top 3 are Classic Empire, Always Dreaming, and Irish War Cry. Classic Empire won me a few $$ in the Ark Derby so I'm a little partial to him. When the PPs come out Wednesday eve I will have more thoughts then. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon May 01, 2017 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Walt Williams Neck wrote: You to reserve a table at the OTB........but I go on Friday bet the Oaks and Derby.Bet the pre Derby Races on line. Derby Day is amateur day....hate going to the widow and hear Kentucky Derby Classic Empire,,,no amount what type of wager...fuck that bullshit I have a lot more patience for those people than I do for the scumbags that go every goddamn day and still have never learned any betting etiquette. As a guy who grew up in the grandstand at Sportsman's Park, Arlington, and Hawthorne like I did I'm sure you'll agree with this. We had to learn how to call off our bets quickly and correctly or we'd have guys in line behind motherfucking us with a vengeance. You learned pretty quickly not to handicap at the window and not to put your elbows on the counter and settle in to slowly call off bets. At my local OTBs, previously Lucky Magee's and now Players, there are a bunch of fucking assholes with total disregard for anyone else. Most of them are Assyrians but there is a Jamaican contingent that is just the worst. These guys stand in front of the machines and read the program. They bet dime supers and seem like they are selecting the numbers as they go. I've gotten in beefs with these goofs on several occasions. You know, I wouldn't do that to somebody else. It's especially bad now with a million tracks going. The race you want to bet is going to the gate and the guy in front of you is betting something at Mountaineer that isn't going to load for twenty minutes. Fuck those guys. I can see why people bet online but I really don't want a record of my play out there. Got that right......I remember the $2 Combo windows no gimmick bets no simulcasting.Simulcast started as just real big stakes races on Saturdays.I had a teller at Sportsmans Richie Lord that I took care of if I ever was going to miss a bet I'd call it out to Richie and he'd get it in, I remember one night at Sportmans I was behind a dude who played 174 trifectas...must have been betting for the whole neighborhood.Like I said used to love it but have been soured by the etiquette |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Mon May 01, 2017 5:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
leashyourkids wrote: Patch A positive jockey Tyler Gaffalione who rode Fast and Accurate to the Spiral win opted for Patch 
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| Author: | W_Z [ Mon May 01, 2017 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
when i was at the Saddle Room there was a couple, looked to be in their 50's or so, hoarding a bunch of programs. You could tell they'd been there all day. When i asked how they were doing, the guy said, "Up $800." None of us believed that. But the thing that got me was that he was wearing thermoskin gloves. I wondered if that helped his handicapping. I guess if bowlers do it, why not... |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Tue May 02, 2017 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
The Oaks I like Farrell 
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| Author: | W_Z [ Tue May 02, 2017 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
what's the scoop? |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Wed May 03, 2017 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
W_Z wrote: what's the scoop? http://interactives.courier-journal.com/docs/derby2017/oaks.pdf |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Wed May 03, 2017 6:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
They're gonna have their hands full trying to beat Paradise Woods in that one. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Wed May 03, 2017 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: They're gonna have their hands full trying to beat Paradise Woods in that one. Lots a speed here Joseph Miss Sky Warrior Lock Down Farrell all be running for the lead...speed collapses and Salty and Abel Tasman pick up the pieces |
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| Author: | spmack [ Wed May 03, 2017 10:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
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| Author: | spmack [ Wed May 03, 2017 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
I'll post Brisnet PPs later this eve unless someone else wants to do it. |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Wed May 03, 2017 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kentucky Derby |
Walt Williams Neck wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: They're gonna have their hands full trying to beat Paradise Woods in that one. Lots a speed here Joseph Miss Sky Warrior Lock Down Farrell all be running for the lead...speed collapses and Salty and Abel Tasman pick up the pieces I don't think the pace will be that stiff in here. Even if it is I think Paradise Woods can lay right behind it and move when she wants. If there is some crazy hot pace I'd look for Daddy's Lil Darling and/or Vexatious to pick up the pieces. I do think Abel Tasman is sitting on a big race and Baffert will have her cranked but the big horse just dusted her by 12 lengths and she wasn't extended in doing it. Lot of work to make that up. |
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