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Author:  Derplington [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:29 pm ]
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I really only started listening to the Score in 2009. Mike North was gone by then. Sounds like an interesting guy. He was basically your meatball Chicago fan. Kind of wish the Score had somebody like him on there nowadays.

What was his downfall? He was obviously very popular at one point. Was he simply a tragedy of the downturn? Were you guys a fan of Pappy?

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:45 pm ]
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He did a dogshit morning show that lost to Mike & Mike and wouldn't accept a new contract that still would have paid him high 6s. He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:53 am ]
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He was the most important figure in the Score's early years, but eventually decided to go solo and his show went heavy into politics and lame segments like the Real Estate Game where he would list a home's description and callers competed to guess the listing price. Signed a megadeal for $7.5m over five years, but when that expired, refused to sign a new deal for $800k a year, which I'm sure he regrets.

I always liked him.

Author:  Cashman [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:34 am ]
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That morning show was terrible. Wasn't it North, Huebner, and some chick?

Author:  Clawmaster [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:06 am ]
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He was paired with Dan Jiggetts at the start and they put on an incredibly entertaining midday show for several years before North decided he was the biggest star at the station and forced his way into other dayparts. He made a ton of money, but he was never as good with any other partners as he was with Jiggs.

He was the polar opposite of the "smart fans station" concept they have settled on recently, but far more entertaining and actually much more informative because they would ask difficult questions of team spokespeople and were not afraid to disagree with callers, guests, and other hosts during transition.

It was the golden age of the score and for many reasons the station will never reach that level ever again.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:17 am ]
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Clawmaster wrote:
He was paired with Dan Jiggetts at the start and they put on an incredibly entertaining midday show for several years before North decided he was the biggest star at the station and forced his way into other dayparts. He made a ton of money, but he was never as good with any other partners as he was with Jiggs.

He was the polar opposite of the "smart fans station" concept they have settled on recently, but far more entertaining and actually much more informative because they would ask difficult questions of team spokespeople and were not afraid to disagree with callers, guests, and other hosts during transition.

It was the golden age of the score and for many reasons the station will never reach that level ever again.


He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:33 am ]
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North was responsible for the rise and the fall of The Score.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:09 am ]
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He was on with Parkins a few days ago to talk about the 30th anniversary of the station. He was kind of emotional recounting how he told his wife he was a failure and saw no future better than his current job of picking up trash in Grant Park. Bebe convinced him to try radio, so he paid $200 a day to get a couple of hours of airtime on an obscure station. Eventually Danny Lee decided to create a dedicated sports station and North became the star.

Author:  GoldenJet [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:25 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
He was the most important figure in the Score's early years, but eventually decided to go solo and his show went heavy into politics and lame segments like the Real Estate Game where he would list a home's description and callers competed to guess the listing price. Signed a megadeal for $7.5m over five years, but when that expired, refused to sign a new deal for $800k a year, which I'm sure he regrets.

I always liked him.


He really leaned hard into trying to be like Mancow.

Author:  Seacrest [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:45 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
He did a dogshit morning show that lost to Mike & Mike and wouldn't accept a new contract that still would have paid him high 6s. He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.



Succinct and spot on.

Also started to believe his own bullshit. The downfall of many men.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:56 am ]
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He was a populist and embodied the station's original mission to be the voice of the fan. People loved and hated him. He held management more accountable than any media member ever has in this city. His popularity created an arrogance that the station only existed because of him. He meddled in sales, programming and hiring. He eventually engineered the breakup of the two most popular shows in the history of the station so that he could work mornings with a conservative political talk format. His moves beyond the mic were all disasterous for him and the station. A change was required, ushering in The Bernstein Era.

Author:  BigW72 [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:21 am ]
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Lots of accurate statements here. In summary...this says at all.
Curious Hair wrote:
He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.

Terry's Peeps wrote:
North was responsible for the rise and the fall of The Score.

GoldenJet wrote:
He really leaned hard into trying to be like Mancow.

Seacrest wrote:
started to believe his own bullshit.

good dolphin wrote:
He was a populist and embodied the station's original mission to be the voice of the fan. People loved and hated him. He held management more accountable than any media member ever has in this city. His popularity created an arrogance that the station only existed because of him.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:52 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.


I like that phrase and I will use it in the future in real life without giving you attribution.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:52 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
He held management more accountable than any media member ever has in this city.


That's what stands out to me (aside from the malaprops and mispronunciations). He would get into it with Ditka, Ozzie, Hub, and basically anyone. No one confronts guests anymore, which I guess is understandable as they won't come on again. Jesse Rogers deserves a lot of credit for producing in those days.

Author:  One Post [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:13 am ]
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I also think at some point he stopped being the authentic Mike North, and started playing the character Mike North.

Author:  One Post [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:15 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.


I like that phrase and I will use it in the future in real life without giving you attribution.


I second this appreciation for the phrase, and it can be repurposed as a precaution to "never confuse success for greatness".

Well done Curious Hair.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:15 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He held management more accountable than any media member ever has in this city.


That's what stands out to me (aside from the malaprops and mispronunciations). He would get into it with Ditka, Ozzie, Hub, and basically anyone. No one confronts guests anymore, which I guess is understandable as they won't come on again. Jesse Rogers deserves a lot of credit for producing in those days.


I remember him setting Scott Skiles straight on his contract negotiations with the Bulls. His best work was mocking that arrogant SOB Riley about whether he would shave his head for a series victory.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:18 am ]
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One Post wrote:
I also think at some point he stopped being the authentic Mike North, and started playing the character Mike North.


There is no doubt. I know several of his friends and family members who said that he definitely changed.

He started to become greedy, using the station as his own patronage office and elevating his wife to an agent. He became contemptible.

Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:24 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
One Post wrote:
I also think at some point he stopped being the authentic Mike North, and started playing the character Mike North.


There is no doubt. I know several of his friends and family members who said that he definitely changed.

He started to become greedy, using the station as his own patronage office and elevating his wife to an agent. He became contemptible.

But he bought diapers and formula for out-of-work producers!!

Author:  conns7901 [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:25 am ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.


That TV show was a decade after North hit his peak. Their radio show was great and neither matched the same success after the breakup. They played well off of each other. I still do not understand why they had to breakup McNeil and Boers when North wanted to go solo.

Author:  Megan Rapinoe [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:27 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.


I like that phrase and I will use it in the future in real life without giving you attribution.

Cornel West, step to the plate!

Northie was the best. For a while.

Author:  Harvard Dan [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:28 am ]
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conns7901 wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.


That TV show was a decade after North hit his peak. Their radio show was great and neither matched the same success after the breakup. They played well off of each other. I still do not understand why they had to breakup McNeil and Boers when North wanted to go solo.



Bernstein and Jiggs....appointment radio. This is the event that set in motion B and B which was quite popular and fun...until it wasn't.

Author:  Harvard Dan [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:29 am ]
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Douchebag wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
One Post wrote:
I also think at some point he stopped being the authentic Mike North, and started playing the character Mike North.


There is no doubt. I know several of his friends and family members who said that he definitely changed.

He started to become greedy, using the station as his own patronage office and elevating his wife to an agent. He became contemptible.

But he bought diapers and formula for out-of-work producers!!


He also was threatening to (or did) sue Rodeo Vann.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:31 am ]
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Harvard Dan wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.


That TV show was a decade after North hit his peak. Their radio show was great and neither matched the same success after the breakup. They played well off of each other. I still do not understand why they had to breakup McNeil and Boers when North wanted to go solo.



Bernstein and Jiggs....appointment radio. This is the event that set in motion B and B which was quite popular and fun...until it wasn't.


I thought it was Danny Mac and Jiggs whose show lasted a nanosecond. Maybe Bernstein also had a stint before B&B?

Author:  Harvard Dan [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:33 am ]
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Harvard Dan wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.


That TV show was a decade after North hit his peak. Their radio show was great and neither matched the same success after the breakup. They played well off of each other. I still do not understand why they had to breakup McNeil and Boers when North wanted to go solo.



Bernstein and Jiggs....appointment radio. This is the event that set in motion B and B which was quite popular and fun...until it wasn't.


I thought it was Danny Mac and Jiggs whose show lasted a nanosecond. Maybe Bernstein also had a stint before B&B?


It was, sorry I was trying to be sarcastic about what would have happened if The Heavy Fuel Crew was NOT broken up.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:38 am ]
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Harvard Dan wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Harvard Dan wrote:
conns7901 wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:

He was the biggest star at the station. And it was because there was nothing else like it at the time. The Jiggetts pairing was nothing special. See Monsters and Money in the Morning.


That TV show was a decade after North hit his peak. Their radio show was great and neither matched the same success after the breakup. They played well off of each other. I still do not understand why they had to breakup McNeil and Boers when North wanted to go solo.



Bernstein and Jiggs....appointment radio. This is the event that set in motion B and B which was quite popular and fun...until it wasn't.


I thought it was Danny Mac and Jiggs whose show lasted a nanosecond. Maybe Bernstein also had a stint before B&B?


It was, sorry I was trying to be sarcastic about what would have happened if The Heavy Fuel Crew was NOT broken up.


Yeah, I don't think Duke and Harvard alums would have made for good radio. You need a meatball in the mix.

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:45 am ]
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Pappy's a little slappy

Author:  Derplington [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:56 am ]
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Appreciate the score history lesson folks. Did other cohosts hate Murphy as much as they lead on? Mac and Boers would always rip on him. You still hear hosts ripping him on occasion now a days. Wish I could find audio of him calling Walter Payton "Wally".

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:05 am ]
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Derplington wrote:
Appreciate the score history lesson folks. Did other cohosts hate Murphy as much as they lead on? Mac and Boers would always rip on him. You still hear hosts ripping him on occasion now a days. Wish I could find audio of him calling Walter Payton "Wally".


"Wally" was an all-time classic Score moment, though the ironic thing is Murph himself probably played it the most on his own show.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:06 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
He did a dogshit morning show that lost to Mike & Mike and wouldn't accept a new contract that still would have paid him high 6s. He was a tragedy of being a dumbass who couldn't tell success from greatness.

That about sums it up for me.

Those last years were quite the train wreck.

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