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should they be shot though? that's what I asked, not whether you thought their protest was valid. That's already obvious.

so the 1st amendment is subservient to whatever makes Jewish people uncomfortable?

Right. I see people getting hysterical that Israel is "an ethnostate," and it's like yes, that was literally the point. Israel was not created to be a place where people of all religions could live and if it should become a Muslim theocracy by majority rule then that's just democracy in action. The "normal" rules were never meant to apply.

Of course, there are fair criticisms to make of Israel perhaps becoming a bit too theocratic itself and needing to decouple from the Orthodox, but that's still attached to believing that a Jewish state centered on Jerusalem can/should/must exist.

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Ouch wrong. It is exactly this kind of thinking that the woke crowd is trying to apply to every minority group.

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my God, thinking like this would allow Israel to do literally anything, genocide, nuking their neighbors, literally anything.

It's more like no rules at all apply to Israel by this way of thinking and if there are any rules, Israel decides what they are. It's completely insane.

Hate speech is protected. Hate speech sucks. People that hate suck. And we need to point at and call out those people and make it a social no-go. But as soon as you go down the road of trying to police speech as shakes suggests, there is no end in sight to the tyranny of government.

We have free speech. We have free exercise of religion. And we have a government that is prevented from establishing a religion. And if you look at history, most wars are started over religion.

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when racists criticism of a people has a direct result of escalating hate crimes being committed nationwide against said people then yes, the same rules do not apply.

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like I said, this only applies to Jews. Or we can keep it simple. You can be in that protected class if at anytime in the past 1000 years a country systematically executed 6,000,000 of your people.

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maybe don't poke the bear.

THe good news is that Israel is only interested in living in peace and has no interest in attacking anyone who is friendly. As Golda said, "If Arabs were to put down their weapons today, there would be peace tomorrow. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be a massacre tomorrow."

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What if in the past 200 years, your relatives were plucked from your country and put to work on plantations?

And the entire Christian faith came here looking to get away from the tyranny of England.

And women could not vote and did not have anywhere near equal rights into the 20th Century.

What if during WW2 your relatives were put in camps because you were Japanese?

I am with you on how Jews have been treated. The remedy is not taking away my rights to say Jews suck.

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I am 100% with Denni$ on this one.

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Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.

100% correct. Policing thought crime is absolutely insane. Demanding special rules according to some stack ranking of historical oppression is arguably the best way to make people hate the historically oppressed.

And in this case, the House, in its wisdom, has decided to criminalize thought crime by its own citizens perpetrated against a foreign government. It’s absurd.

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See, this is where LTG's Just Asking Questions is highly applicable. No doubt you're clever but not clever enough to tell the difference between apples and oranges. Once you've put your fingers in your ears and go lalala, it's over.

Good luck with your defense of the lucrative protest industry and their non-unionized poorly paid workers. They pay them with misguided emotion.

Can we move the Israel section of this thread to politics and keep this to Julie doing/saying dumb things?

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If protesters are taking over campus buildings, creating no-go zones for Jewish students, destruction of property, threats of violence......college universities should not be negotiating with them. What has been going on at UCLA (amongst others) is ridiculous. These are mobs threatening violence and violating the rights of Jewish students. Protesting peacefully is fine. This is not.

I suppose I could say "whatever the protestors do is acceptable" which is the rhetorical equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and going lalala, but that's already being done by the Israel can do no wrong or be criticized crowd and I haven't said that.

I started this morning by saying how much human suffering would be enough to believe protesters are actually genuine about it? There's no answer to that because these protests are genuine, just like virtually every protest. This cynicism about war protesters is borne from not being able to reconcile what you see in Gaza as clearly not being moral or just and all the other political beliefs you hold that contradict having any common ground with the protestors. So they must be fake, paid for, have other nefarious, unstated motives or just be racist monsters that for some reason have chosen just this moment to express it.

Everyone else is bought and paid for but not you, you're impervious to it all.

At UCLA the encampment got attacked, not the other way around.

To the contrary. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left Wing Loons who whined about wackjob conservatives speaking on campus now claiming their 1st Amendment Rights are being violated when they engage in hate speech, trespassing, etc.

Apparently not a very good one.

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Protesting, in both cases, is the free speech. Left wing loons weren't calling for the cops to arrest Milo, that would be the hypocrisy you seek.

you're missing the distinction.


If someone famous says that blacks suck no one is going out tomorrow and attacking a black person walking down the street jsut for being black.

Same goes for christians, Japanese etc.


But, if someone famous like Kanye or Kyrie Irving says that about Jews you better believe it is going to embolden some idiot to go out there and commit a hate crime against Jews. This is not a now problem either. This is a past 4000 years problem.

Jews make up something like 2% of the population in the USA yet account for 60% of the reported hate crimes in this country. Think about that for a minute. 2% of the population, 60% of the hate crimes. There isn't a people in the world who needs to be more protected than the Jews. Hatred of Jews unchecked will 100% lead to violence against Jews. It has literally followed that exact pattern 100s of times throughout history and throughout the world.

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The same people who prevented people like that Milo guy from speaking on campus because he triggered them are among those physically threatening Jewish students and occupying campus buildings. That is not protected free speech.

you sure told him!

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I don't recall you, Ricky, so I would start out by saying I don't think you have the experience of judging all my views in a days worth time.

It is my own personal judgement, by watching and reading, that the majority of college protestors are wet behind the ears and being used. They may THINK they have convictions but when they cry for bottled water, I tend to doubt their "deeply held" convictions. As far as the protesting industry, the mayor of NY and the commissioner of police have something to say about it and the receipts to back it up.

Lastly, Ricky11Slade sure isn't going to change my views with insults and JAQs.

You can say it all you want. You both know it went beyond stating Jews Suck at Columbia and other places.

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They're not being used, no one can say who is using them. 2 of the 300 arrested by NYPD were not Columbia students and Eric Adams, lol, complete clown.

Where's the hypocrisy? The protestors were not asking for anyone to be arrested, the right wing here and in Israel is.

The hypocrisy would be demanding certain speech be cancelled/denied while also demanding freedom of speech when it suits them.

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