Because he's the best player in the league in the weaker conference?

I dont hate on LBJ as much as I used to so we cant have this fight. Im sorry.

The two biggest plays of that championship winning game were Love's defense and Kyrie's shot.

Who got them to the finals? The biggest plays of the Phoenix series were Paxson's shot and Grant's block.

Well, one of his best teammates almost died and had to retire from basketball.

The other one declined far more but still has the same number of rings.

His best teammate in Cleveland got injured this year along with another star and that team still took them to a Game 7.

True. Good thing MJ has the other 86 game winners to fall back on.

And he passed it to Paxson.

Was LeBron even on the floor at the end of that game?

He didn't pass it to Paxson. He passed it to Pippen who got it to Grant passed it to Paxson. Was Jordan even a factor in that play?

Listened for the first time in a while as I drove downtown, and heard a long segment talking about all the 40-8-8 games in NBA playoff history (LeBron had one last night in the loss). Dan said there have been 25 all time and that LeBron has 11 of them. He then asked McKnight to list as many other players he could who had at least one.

Um, Wilt? (No)
Um, Kobe? (No)
Um, Magic? (Once)
Ok, I give up...list them.

Dan: Ok, Jordan had 4...

You'd think Jordan would have been an early guess (if not the first) but

I think you answered your own question.

He also scored 75% of the Bulls points in that 4th quarter

I could take you more seriously if you didn't ask snide questions that you already know are absurd (was LBJ even on the floor?).

What are we debating? You keep throwing random stuff up about Jordan (he scored 75% of the team's points in the 4th) without seeing that James has done the same, whether currently or at some point in the past. The only clear-cut advantage Jordan has over James is rings, and for many that seals the deal. Fine. Whatever. But short of that there's nothing Jordan has done in terms of impacting the game on a daily basis that James hasn't done. And in some cases James has done it better than Jordan.

Rings. Clutch. Ability to take over games. The will to win.

Just that stuff.

James is right there for everything you mentioned except for rings. I still think you're applying a 2011 paradigm to James.

Here are Jordan's stats in the finals when he was 33:

FG% 3% FT% MPG PPG RPG ASP SPG BPG
.415 .316 .836 42.0 27.3 5.3 4.2 1.7 0.2


I'll be curious to see what Lebron's are.

I could take you more seriously if you didn't ask snide questions that you already know are absurd (was LBJ even on the floor?).

What are we debating? You keep throwing random stuff up about Jordan (he scored 75% of the team's points in the 4th) without seeing that James has done the same, whether currently or at some point in the past. The only clear-cut advantage Jordan has over James is rings, and for many that seals the deal. Fine. Whatever. But short of that there's nothing Jordan has done in terms of impacting the game on a daily basis that James hasn't done. And in some cases James has done it better than Jordan.

He also scored 75% of the Bulls points in that 4th quarter

That's a creative way of saying he scored 9 points.

Still dominant though.

Defense matters. I'd take MJ anytime over LBJ. At least MJ obliterated the opposing guard on offense, smothered him into shooting 0-12 for -2 points on defense, AND impregnated that dude's wife during a TV timeout.

You've clearly lost the argument because you're falling back on the individual defense of wing players. This is worse than talking about Anthony Rizzo's defense.

I'll hope you were kidding.

You should. Then you wouldn't have to defend your thoughts.

I'm good defending "defense matters" in the nba.

That year Jordan took no plays off on defense was amazing. He showed Stacey Augmon no mercy one time in the corner where the Hawks stored him on offense.

I'm good defending "defense matters" in the nba.

Defense is a team endeavor in the NBA. Jordan was a great defender... and it was great that he played alongside an even better defender his whole career.

Regular season games in November are what makes legacies.

Notice how no regular NBA poster thinks lebron is GOAT? There's a reason for that. We watch the games.