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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The Man wrote: I never watched any of these guys play baseball but Ted Williams numbers always amazed me. The fact that he spent 3 years in his mid-twenties in the service took away what would have been even better numbers. Babe Ruth played in a very exclusive time when 1/3 of the league was nicknamed rube and one of the better pitchers had 3 fingers. His number are great but I think that in a different era they would have be slightly less impressive. Same thing with DiMaggio. You know, if you take out the Fenway and Yankee Stadium numbers from each guy's stats, there pretty close to the same. In fact, DiMaggio is slightly better. I think you're way off on Ruth. He played in a tough time against tough men and the difference between him and the next best guy was greater than for anyone else in any team sport in any era. I do think baseball was at it's best from between the time Robinson broke in up until expansion. In particular, the National League of that era was as good as any baseball league has ever been as they were quicker to accept the black and Latino players. The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The Man wrote: I never watched any of these guys play baseball but Ted Williams numbers always amazed me. The fact that he spent 3 years in his mid-twenties in the service took away what would have been even better numbers. Babe Ruth played in a very exclusive time when 1/3 of the league was nicknamed rube and one of the better pitchers had 3 fingers. His number are great but I think that in a different era they would have be slightly less impressive. Same thing with DiMaggio. You know, if you take out the Fenway and Yankee Stadium numbers from each guy's stats, there pretty close to the same. In fact, DiMaggio is slightly better. I think you're way off on Ruth. He played in a tough time against tough men and the difference between him and the next best guy was greater than for anyone else in any team sport in any era. I do think baseball was at it's best from between the time Robinson broke in up until expansion. In particular, the National League of that era was as good as any baseball league has ever been as they were quicker to accept the black and Latino players. The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). For me, easily the best lineup I ever saw was the 1996 Indians: 1 C Sandy Alomar 2 1B Julio Franco 3 2B Carlos Baerga 4 SS Omar Vizquel 5 3B Jim Thome 6 LF Albert Belle 7 CF Kenny Lofton 8 RF Manny Ramirez 9 DH Eddie Murray |
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| Author: | Jaw Breaker [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Nardi wrote: The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). My all-time fav. Though the pitching wasn't nearly as good as the lineup. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The Man wrote: I never watched any of these guys play baseball but Ted Williams numbers always amazed me. The fact that he spent 3 years in his mid-twenties in the service took away what would have been even better numbers. Babe Ruth played in a very exclusive time when 1/3 of the league was nicknamed rube and one of the better pitchers had 3 fingers. His number are great but I think that in a different era they would have be slightly less impressive. Same thing with DiMaggio. You know, if you take out the Fenway and Yankee Stadium numbers from each guy's stats, there pretty close to the same. In fact, DiMaggio is slightly better. I think you're way off on Ruth. He played in a tough time against tough men and the difference between him and the next best guy was greater than for anyone else in any team sport in any era. I do think baseball was at it's best from between the time Robinson broke in up until expansion. In particular, the National League of that era was as good as any baseball league has ever been as they were quicker to accept the black and Latino players. The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). For me, easily the best lineup I ever saw was the 1996 Indians: 1 C Sandy Alomar 2 1B Julio Franco 3 2B Carlos Baerga 4 SS Omar Vizquel 5 3B Jim Thome 6 LF Albert Belle 7 CF Kenny Lofton 8 RF Manny Ramirez 9 DH Eddie Murray And lost. Nomination denied |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The Man wrote: I never watched any of these guys play baseball but Ted Williams numbers always amazed me. The fact that he spent 3 years in his mid-twenties in the service took away what would have been even better numbers. Babe Ruth played in a very exclusive time when 1/3 of the league was nicknamed rube and one of the better pitchers had 3 fingers. His number are great but I think that in a different era they would have be slightly less impressive. Same thing with DiMaggio. You know, if you take out the Fenway and Yankee Stadium numbers from each guy's stats, there pretty close to the same. In fact, DiMaggio is slightly better. I think you're way off on Ruth. He played in a tough time against tough men and the difference between him and the next best guy was greater than for anyone else in any team sport in any era. I do think baseball was at it's best from between the time Robinson broke in up until expansion. In particular, the National League of that era was as good as any baseball league has ever been as they were quicker to accept the black and Latino players. The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). For me, easily the best lineup I ever saw was the 1996 Indians: 1 C Sandy Alomar 2 1B Julio Franco 3 2B Carlos Baerga 4 SS Omar Vizquel 5 3B Jim Thome 6 LF Albert Belle 7 CF Kenny Lofton 8 RF Manny Ramirez 9 DH Eddie Murray And lost. Nomination denied It's kind of tough when Charlie Nagy is your best pitcher. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: The Man wrote: I never watched any of these guys play baseball but Ted Williams numbers always amazed me. The fact that he spent 3 years in his mid-twenties in the service took away what would have been even better numbers. Babe Ruth played in a very exclusive time when 1/3 of the league was nicknamed rube and one of the better pitchers had 3 fingers. His number are great but I think that in a different era they would have be slightly less impressive. Same thing with DiMaggio. You know, if you take out the Fenway and Yankee Stadium numbers from each guy's stats, there pretty close to the same. In fact, DiMaggio is slightly better. I think you're way off on Ruth. He played in a tough time against tough men and the difference between him and the next best guy was greater than for anyone else in any team sport in any era. I do think baseball was at it's best from between the time Robinson broke in up until expansion. In particular, the National League of that era was as good as any baseball league has ever been as they were quicker to accept the black and Latino players. The Big Red Machine was the GOAT Johnny Bench (c), Tony Perez (1b), Joe Morgan (2b), Dave Concepcion (ss), Pete Rose (3b), Ken Griffey (rf), Cesar Geronimo (cf) and Geoge Foster (lf). For me, easily the best lineup I ever saw was the 1996 Indians: 1 C Sandy Alomar 2 1B Julio Franco 3 2B Carlos Baerga 4 SS Omar Vizquel 5 3B Jim Thome 6 LF Albert Belle 7 CF Kenny Lofton 8 RF Manny Ramirez 9 DH Eddie Murray And lost. Nomination denied It's kind of tough when Charlie Nagy is your best pitcher. Reds kinda had a patchwork themselves. I think Gullet was their main character. With better pitching, Reds could have won 4 or 5. But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Nardi wrote: But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. That's gonna send most Sox fans into orbit. I'm one of the few who doesn't believe a 1994 World Series win- or even a division championship- was fait accompli for the White Sox. |
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| Author: | Phil Leotardo [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Thing I remember about the Indians of that time was the brutal umpiring in the series against the Braves. Huge strike zones for the Braves pitchers especially Maddux and Glavine. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. That's gonna send most Sox fans into orbit. I'm one of the few who doesn't believe a 1994 World Series win- or even a division championship- was fait accompli for the White Sox. Yankees had the best record in the AL and the Indians were 1 game back(because they were playing really well and caught up). Sox WC vs Yankees. Lose. Frank goes 1-17 with 12 popups. |
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| Author: | Phil Leotardo [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Nardi wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. That's gonna send most Sox fans into orbit. I'm one of the few who doesn't believe a 1994 World Series win- or even a division championship- was fait accompli for the White Sox. Yankees had the best record in the AL and the Indians were 1 game back(because they were playing really well and caught up). Sox WC vs Yankees. Lose. Frank goes 1-17 with 12 popups. Sounds like the big Skirt. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. That's gonna send most Sox fans into orbit. I'm one of the few who doesn't believe a 1994 World Series win- or even a division championship- was fait accompli for the White Sox. of course you don't Sox fan Cub season ticket holder |
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| Author: | Regular Reader [ Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: White People Records |
good dolphin wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nardi wrote: But back to the Indians. They were going to take the division in 94. That's gonna send most Sox fans into orbit. I'm one of the few who doesn't believe a 1994 World Series win- or even a division championship- was fait accompli for the White Sox. of course you don't Sox fan Cub season ticket holder I actually have a full set of playoff tickets for each 94 playoff and WS round . I'd planned on having them framed, but then came kids. I guess that I should just send them to my baseball loving son. Maybe I'll frame them and make it a Xmas gift. And yeah, the Big Red Machine lineup was the best I've ever seen. The 89 Bash Brothers win the open, steroids era line-up. |
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