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1 Philadelphia 81 3,565,718 44,021 100.8 81 31,749 72.8 162 37,885 86.9
2 NY Yankees 81 3,542,406 43,733 87.0 81 34,154 82.0 162 38,943 84.7
3 Texas 81 3,460,280 42,719 86.9 80 28,209 66.7 161 35,509 77.6
4 San Fra 81 3,377,371 41,695 99.5 80 32,889 72.4 161 37,320 85.5
5 LA Dodgers 81 3,324,246 41,040 73.3 80 32,640 74.4 161 36,866 73.8
6 St. Louis 81 3,262,109 40,272 91.6 81 31,436 72.7 162 35,854 82.2
7 LA Angels 81 3,061,770 37,799 83.3 81 30,831 70.2 162 34,315 76.8
8 Boston 81 3,043,003 37,567 101.4 81 31,038 71.8 162 34,303 85.5
9 Detroit 81 3,028,033 37,383 90.6 81 30,539 73.5 162 33,961 82.0
10 Cubs 81 2,882,756 35,589 86.5 81 32,485 75.2 162 34,037 80.7
11 Milwaukee 81 2,831,385 34,955 83.4 81 30,580 71.3 162 32,767 77.3
12 Minnesota 81 2,776,354 34,275 86.8 80 28,306 66.5 161 31,309 76.3
13 Colorado 81 2,630,458 32,474 64.3 80 32,301 72.0 161 32,388 67.9
14 Washington 79 2,370,794 30,010 72.3 81 33,116 75.6 160 31,582 74.0
15 Atlanta 81 2,420,171 29,878 60.1 81 31,936 75.2 162 30,907 67.0
16 Cincinnati 81 2,347,251 28,978 68.5 81 30,784 71.5 162 29,881 70.0
17 NY Mets 80 2,242,803 28,035 67.1 81 33,720 76.6 161 30,895 72.0
18 Miami 81 2,219,444 27,400 73.2 80 30,986 70.9 161 29,182 71.9
19 Arizona 81 2,177,617 26,884 55.3 81 32,292 72.2 162 29,588 63.4
20 Baltimore 79 2,102,240 26,610 58.6 81 29,549 68.6 160 28,098 63.5
21 San Diego 81 2,123,721 26,218 61.4 81 31,422 69.4 162 28,820 65.5
22 Pittsburgh 80 2,091,918 26,148 68.2 81 31,307 71.7 161 28,744 70.1
23 Toronto 81 2,099,663 25,921 52.6 80 29,075 69.8 161 27,488 60.4
24 White Sox 81 1,965,955 24,271 59.8 81 29,983 69.7 162 27,127 64.9
25 Kansas City 80 1,739,859 21,748 57.4 81 27,447 64.7 161 24,615 61.3
26 Seattle 81 1,721,920 21,258 44.4 81 28,262 67.0 162 24,760 55.0
27 Oakland 81 1,679,013 20,728 60.6 81 29,978 68.0 162 25,353 64.8
28 Houston 81 1,607,733 19,848 48.5 81 31,119 72.1 162 25,483 60.6
29 Cleveland 81 1,603,596 19,797 45.6 81 28,285 68.2 162 24,041 56.6
30 Tampa Bay 81 1,559,681 19,255 56.5 81 30,403 69.2 162 24,829 63.6

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The whole "Bulls can't sign a free agent" cries are complete nonsense, perpetuated solely because the last two big names they got(Boozer and Wallace) have sucked comparative to their salaries.

well, I was with you until that sentence. the Bulls CANNOT sign a needed free agent. The can only get what they don't need.

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Why is Terry so bothered by the Bears game being played at 3:30 on Sunday??? Is it past his bedtime or something?

It doesn't start at 3:30P. Sum, the Bears/Jaguars game kicks off at 3:05P, 20 minutes before Broncos/Patriots & 2 other games on the "NFL on CBS". The Seahawks/Panthers' game in Charlotte, also on the "NFL on FOX", kicks off the same time as the one in Jacksonville. Not exactly West Coast football...


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Well, I know you're an apologist for the organization. I maintain that the stewardship of the team has been less than exemplary since the dynasty ended. We'll agree to disagree, I guess.

yeah, they haven't run it into the ground. they're just not a destination point for free agents like they had planned. It was a lazy move to sign boozer but that's the GM's fault.

Boston fans also complain that their team never signs any big free agents. I guess they've been run into the ground also.

they do? At least they've got a GM who can rape Minnesota because he's buddies with the GM, who was a former...celtic!

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Why is Terry so bothered by the Bears game being played at 3:30 on Sunday??? Is it past his bedtime or something?

Sum, the Bears/Jaguars game kicks off at 3:05P, 20 minutes before Broncos/Patriots & 2 other games on the "NFL on CBS". The Seahawks/Panthers' game in Charlotte, also on the "NFL on FOX", kicks off the same time as the one in Jacksonville. Not exactly West Coast football...


You didn't answer his questions at all. You simply provided additional BS for which he did not ask.

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Why would I weep?

And what's wrong with Oakland A's fans?

actually, I think their attendance has been up pretty good after switching to a new ticket strategy back in July. Saw an article about it a while back. Basically pricing their tickets based on demand.

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The whole "Bulls can't sign a free agent" cries are complete nonsense, perpetuated solely because the last two big names they got(Boozer and Wallace) have sucked comparative to their salaries.

well, I was with you until that sentence. the Bulls CANNOT sign a needed free agent. The can only get what they don't need.

That's not true. They needed a guy like 2004 Ben Wallace when they signed him. They just didn't get that version.

They badly needed a PF a couple years ago and the top three guys were Bosh, Boozer, and Amare. Boozer hasn't been worse than the other two.

You must still be stuck on 12 years ago when they promised they'd get Grant Hill and T Mac and missed on both. That's really the last time I can think of them missing big in FA. LeBron was a pipe dream that was never going to happen.

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Why is Terry so bothered by the Bears game being played at 3:30 on Sunday??? Is it past his bedtime or something?

Sum, the Bears/Jaguars game kicks off at 3:05P, 20 minutes before Broncos/Patriots & 2 other games on the "NFL on CBS". The Seahawks/Panthers' game in Charlotte, also on the "NFL on FOX", kicks off the same time as the one in Jacksonville. Not exactly West Coast football...


You didn't answer his questions at all. You simply provided additional BS for which he did not ask.

Guys, I don't know why Bears/Jaguars & Seahawks/Panthers BOTH kickoff at 3:05P Sunday unless to accommodate FOX Sports. How the hell am I supposed to know?!


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Why is Terry so bothered by the Bears game being played at 3:30 on Sunday??? Is it past his bedtime or something?

Sum, the Bears/Jaguars game kicks off at 3:05P, 20 minutes before Broncos/Patriots & 2 other games on the "NFL on CBS". The Seahawks/Panthers' game in Charlotte, also on the "NFL on FOX", kicks off the same time as the one in Jacksonville. Not exactly West Coast football...


You didn't answer his questions at all. You simply provided additional BS for which he did not ask.

explaining Terry Boers is about as easy as curing the common cold.

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Well, I know you're an apologist for the organization. I maintain that the stewardship of the team has been less than exemplary since the dynasty ended. We'll agree to disagree, I guess.

yeah, they haven't run it into the ground. they're just not a destination point for free agents like they had planned. It was a lazy move to sign boozer but that's the GM's fault.

Boston fans also complain that their team never signs any big free agents. I guess they've been run into the ground also.

they do? At least they've got a GM who can rape Minnesota because he's buddies with the GM, who was a former...celtic!

They do, constantly. Who's the last big name FA they got? Vin Baker or something?

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It's my understanding that the Red Line starts & finishes at Cermak, I believe in Chinatown, to accommodate repairs starting next spring.

I think Cermak-Chinatown is also going to close, even though it's an elevated station and not a median station. Maybe they changed their plans.

Also, a caller earlier explained that Bears-Jaguars is a late game because Fox only gets one game this week and they needed something of value to give markets that have to take the late game over the early game.

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The whole "Bulls can't sign a free agent" cries are complete nonsense, perpetuated solely because the last two big names they got(Boozer and Wallace) have sucked comparative to their salaries.

well, I was with you until that sentence. the Bulls CANNOT sign a needed free agent. The can only get what they don't need.

That's not true. They needed a guy like 2004 Ben Wallace when they signed him. They just didn't get that version.

They badly needed a PF a couple years ago and the top three guys were Bosh, Boozer, and Amare. Boozer hasn't been worse than the other two.

You must still be stuck on 12 years ago when they promised they'd get Grant Hill and T Mac and missed on both. That's really the last time I can think of them missing big in FA. LeBron was a pipe dream that was never going to happen.

They didn't miss on Vlad Radmanovic this offseason I will tell you that much. Right on target.

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Why is Terry so bothered by the Bears game being played at 3:30 on Sunday??? Is it past his bedtime or something?

Sum, the Bears/Jaguars game kicks off at 3:05P, 20 minutes before Broncos/Patriots & 2 other games on the "NFL on CBS". The Seahawks/Panthers' game in Charlotte, also on the "NFL on FOX", kicks off the same time as the one in Jacksonville. Not exactly West Coast football...


You didn't answer his questions at all. You simply provided additional BS for which he did not ask.

Guys, I don't know why Bears/Jaguars & Seahawks/Panthers BOTH kickoff at 3:05P Sunday unless to accommodate FOX Sports. How the hell am I supposed to know?!


He didn't ask why it starts at 3:05!!!!!!!!!!! Can you not read????????????????? He asked why Terry is bothered by the start time. Sometimes you are extremely dense, SHARK.

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The whole "Bulls can't sign a free agent" cries are complete nonsense, perpetuated solely because the last two big names they got(Boozer and Wallace) have sucked comparative to their salaries.

well, I was with you until that sentence. the Bulls CANNOT sign a needed free agent. The can only get what they don't need.

That's not true. They needed a guy like 2004 Ben Wallace when they signed him. They just didn't get that version.

They badly needed a PF a couple years ago and the top three guys were Bosh, Boozer, and Amare. Boozer hasn't been worse than the other two.

You must still be stuck on 12 years ago when they promised they'd get Grant Hill and T Mac and missed on both. That's really the last time I can think of them missing big in FA. LeBron was a pipe dream that was never going to happen.

what's the last big name free agent they signed? They're the third largest media market in the states. For some reason, guys like Howard avoid the team like the plague. 2004? I wanted Rasheed or Marcus Camby. Either would have been far better than Wallace.

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what's the last big name free agent they signed? They're the third largest media market in the states. For some reason, guys like Howard avoid the team like the plague. 2004? I wanted Rasheed or Marcus Camby. Either would have been far better than Wallace.

Howard is a mental midget and you cannot count the whims of an idiot as being a problem of the Bulls organization. The Bulls would have won just as many titles from 2004 to 2012 with Rasheed Wallace or Marcus Camby instead of Ben Wallace.

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They do, constantly. Who's the last big name FA they got? Vin Baker or something?

2007: Kevin Garnett. Wake me up when the Bulls get something that big.

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Garnett was a trade. Ray Allen was a free agency signing.

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what's the last big name free agent they signed? They're the third largest media market in the states. For some reason, guys like Howard avoid the team like the plague. 2004? I wanted Rasheed or Marcus Camby. Either would have been far better than Wallace.

Howard is a mental midget and you cannot count the whims of an idiot as being a problem of the Bulls organization. The Bulls would have won just as many titles from 2004 to 2012 with Rasheed Wallace or Marcus Camby instead of Ben Wallace.

Howard is yes, a mental midget. He also would make the Bulls with a healthy Rose an instant championship contender. So, if we're not going to win a title, let's just make stupid moves?

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Garnett was a trade. Ray Allen was a free agency signing.

Yeah, I misspoke. But name me a Bulls big non-draft signing.

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The whole "Bulls can't sign a free agent" cries are complete nonsense, perpetuated solely because the last two big names they got(Boozer and Wallace) have sucked comparative to their salaries.

well, I was with you until that sentence. the Bulls CANNOT sign a needed free agent. The can only get what they don't need.

That's not true. They needed a guy like 2004 Ben Wallace when they signed him. They just didn't get that version.

They badly needed a PF a couple years ago and the top three guys were Bosh, Boozer, and Amare. Boozer hasn't been worse than the other two.

You must still be stuck on 12 years ago when they promised they'd get Grant Hill and T Mac and missed on both. That's really the last time I can think of them missing big in FA. LeBron was a pipe dream that was never going to happen.

what's the last big name free agent they signed? They're the third largest media market in the states. For some reason, guys like Howard avoid the team like the plague. 2004? I wanted Rasheed or Marcus Camby. Either would have been far better than Wallace.

I think it was '06 or '07 when they signed Ben Wallace. They needed the '04 version. Rasheed was never a FA in his prime. He was traded from Portland to Atlanta, then one game later was traded to Detroit. By the time he became a FA, he was washed up and badly out of shape, as any Boston fan who was stuck staring at his moobs during one of many ill advised threes will probably attest to.

I'm not sure when, if ever, they even went after Camby. Not sure he would've ever been a bigger signing than Boozer though.

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what's the last big name free agent they signed? They're the third largest media market in the states. For some reason, guys like Howard avoid the team like the plague. 2004? I wanted Rasheed or Marcus Camby. Either would have been far better than Wallace.

Howard is a mental midget and you cannot count the whims of an idiot as being a problem of the Bulls organization. The Bulls would have won just as many titles from 2004 to 2012 with Rasheed Wallace or Marcus Camby instead of Ben Wallace.

Howard is yes, a mental midget. He also would make the Bulls with a healthy Rose an instant championship contender. So, if we're not going to win a title, let's just make stupid moves?

Howard wasn't a free agent either. He was traded and he would only agree to two teams because he is a dope. Does that mean that the other 27 teams in the league that aren't the Nets or Lakers are awful? Or does it mean Howard is a big baby that mangled his impending free ajency?

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They do, constantly. Who's the last big name FA they got? Vin Baker or something?

2007: Kevin Garnett. Wake me up when the Bulls get something that big.

Wait a second, guys. I thought the Celtics got Kevin Garnett in a trade with the Timberwolves back in 2007 and the folks in Boston were supposedly getting impatient with GM Danny Ainge prior to this deal. Al Jefferson went to Minnesota in return back then and is now in Utah.


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Howard wasn't a free agent either. He was traded and he would only agree to two teams because he is a dope. Does that mean that the other 27 teams in the league that aren't the Nets or Lakers are awful? Or does it mean Howard is a big baby that mangled his impending free ajency?

my main point was that the Bulls can't attract stars. I don't think there's an argument for that.

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The Indiana Experience also involves full touching IIRC. And I do RC.

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Howard wasn't a free agent either. He was traded and he would only agree to two teams because he is a dope. Does that mean that the other 27 teams in the league that aren't the Nets or Lakers are awful? Or does it mean Howard is a big baby that mangled his impending free ajency?

my main point was that the Bulls can't attract stars. I don't think there's an argument for that.

They still can't attract stars, as much as players around the league would like to play with Derrick Rose.


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Garnett was a trade. Ray Allen was a free agency signing.

Yeah, I misspoke. But name me a Bulls big non-draft signing.

Ray Allen was also a trade. Boston doesnt sign marquee free agents really.


If you want to criticize the Bulls for not pulling triggers on trades for Kobe, KG, or others, because they refused to part with Deng, thats fair. Thats been really my only big criticism of the Pax/Gar era. Portland had the same bad habit of falling in love with their draft picks.

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They do, constantly. Who's the last big name FA they got? Vin Baker or something?

2007: Kevin Garnett. Wake me up when the Bulls get something that big.

Wait a second, guys. I thought the Celtics got Kevin Garnett in a trade with the Timberwolves back in 2007 and the folks in Boston were supposedly getting impatient with GM Danny Ainge prior to this deal. Al Jefferson went to Minnesota in return back then and is now in Utah.


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Garnett was a trade. Ray Allen was a free agency signing.

Yeah, I misspoke. But name me a Bulls big non-draft signing.



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:30 pm 
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Howard wasn't a free agent either. He was traded and he would only agree to two teams because he is a dope. Does that mean that the other 27 teams in the league that aren't the Nets or Lakers are awful? Or does it mean Howard is a big baby that mangled his impending free ajency?

my main point was that the Bulls can't attract stars. I don't think there's an argument for that.

Yes there is. Rose seems very happy and content here.

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FavreFan wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
Howard wasn't a free agent either. He was traded and he would only agree to two teams because he is a dope. Does that mean that the other 27 teams in the league that aren't the Nets or Lakers are awful? Or does it mean Howard is a big baby that mangled his impending free ajency?

my main point was that the Bulls can't attract stars. I don't think there's an argument for that.

Yes there is. Rose seems very happy and content here.

they fell into that pick and he is a Chicago guy. It's sad that he'll likely finish his career in Chicago without a championship. You're not really refuting my point with that comment.

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