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Bob Dylan owns. Well, everything up through Desire, at least. I'll hear none of this "overrated" shit; I'd prefer to hear "Absolutely Sweet Marie." But the point is, we would never have rock music as we know it without Chuck Berry and Bob Dylan, and I'm sure Dylan himself would attest that he wouldn't have been what he was without Chuck Berry.


I realize my opinion on Dylan is both unpopular and likely wrong. :lol: :lol: I just never got it. Not for me.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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The longtime critic Robert Christgau called him “the greatest rock lyricist this side of Bob Dylan.”

Critics. What does Robert Christgau do in bed, you know? Is he a toefucker? Man! Anal-retentive! The Consumer’s Guide to Rock? What a moron! A Consumer’s Guide to Rock, man! I object to the fucking liner notes! Starts studying rock and roll? I can't believe it! Baroque Rock: A Study by Robert Christgau. And Christgau is like an anal-retentive. Nice little box: B+. Can you imagine working for a fucking year and you get a B+ from some asshole in the Village Voice?

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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Chuck Berry will never be known for song writing or lyrics.



Are you kidding? You could argue that he invented rock and roll. And a lot of his lyrics are far more clever than Dylan's weird stream-of-consciousness rants. Does Dylan have a song better than "Johnny B. Goode"? Certainly not one more important.




Agree on invention of Rock n Roll, I could name 30 Dylan songs with better lyrics..Chuck Berry is known for the electric guitar and RnB blending for Rock n Roll .not his lyrics..I don't give a shit what some critic said. I understand that not everybody like Dylan's voice but he's the MJ of lyrics, I happen to be a huge Dylan fan n like his unique voice.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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Bob Dylan owns. Well, everything up through Desire, at least. I'll hear none of this "overrated" shit; I'd prefer to hear "Absolutely Sweet Marie." But the point is, we would never have rock music as we know it without Chuck Berry and Bob Dylan, and I'm sure Dylan himself would attest that he wouldn't have been what he was without Chuck Berry.


and woodie guthrie.


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Chuck Berry will never be known for song writing or lyrics.



Are you kidding? You could argue that he invented rock and roll. And a lot of his lyrics are far more clever than Dylan's weird stream-of-consciousness rants. Does Dylan have a song better than "Johnny B. Goode"? Certainly not one more important.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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If you're a fan, here's a pretty good summary of his "15 Essential Hits"...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/19/arts ... .html?_r=0

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How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.

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Chuck Berry will never be known for song writing or lyrics.



Are you kidding? You could argue that he invented rock and roll. And a lot of his lyrics are far more clever than Dylan's weird stream-of-consciousness rants. Does Dylan have a song better than "Johnny B. Goode"? Certainly not one more important.


I'd take Berry over Dylan all day long.


This but Dylan was really smart.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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I know JORR is, let's say a rock-and-roll minimalist, but "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and "Like a Rolling Stone" are both every bit as much a landmark in rock as "Johnny B. Goode."

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How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.


Agree with the first part; you really aren't listening if you think that about the second part.


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How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.



I like Chuck, his contributions to music are immense, I just don't like him as much as Dylan, Johnny Cash and 60 other guys.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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I know JORR is, let's say a rock-and-roll minimalist, but "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and "Like a Rolling Stone" are both every bit as much a landmark in rock as "Johnny B. Goode."


JORR recognizes that "nevermind the bollocks" is the greatest punk album of all time. that's inarguable.

i don't agree; those songs are a part of a movement that had already started. there was nothing like "johnny b. goode" when berry unleashed it.


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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.



I like Chuck, his contributions to music are immense, I just don't like him as much as Dylan, Johnny Cash and 60 other guys.

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I wanna nail a whiny bitch every now and again

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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312player wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.



I like Chuck, his contributions to music are immense, I just don't like him as much as Dylan, Johnny Cash and 60 other guys.

THERE IT IS !!


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312player wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
How could you not be a fan of Chuck Berry?

Dylan is a whiny bitch.



I like Chuck, his contributions to music are immense, I just don't like him as much as Dylan, Johnny Cash and 60 other guys.

THERE IT IS !!




Lol, whoa, I've got Bob Marley, Prince and James Brown in that 60.

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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White guys love Prince because he was from Minnesota so he's like white by osmosis to them. THAT TRAIN'S NEVER LATE!

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Not fair. Prince had 3-4 good songs.

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Not fair. Prince had 3-4 good songs.




Alright, I gotta ask..who's your top 5 artusts~bands all time?

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 Post subject: Re: 3/24: Chuck Berry!
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Not fair. Prince had 3-4 good songs.




Alright, I gotta ask..who's your top 5 artusts~bands all time?

Carl Perkins
Beatles
Stones
Chuck Berry
Elvis

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Beatles
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Elvis
JB
Beach Boys
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I know JORR is, let's say a rock-and-roll minimalist, but "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and "Like a Rolling Stone" are both every bit as much a landmark in rock as "Johnny B. Goode."



I'm a huge fan of Dylan so in no way was I disparaging him. I was simply taking issue with 312player's contention that Berry was some trifle as a songwriter/lyricist.

If I had to pick the most important Dylan song, I'd go with "The Times They Are A-Changin'" or "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)". In fact, "Subterranean Homesick Blues" owes a whole lot to Berry's "Too Much Monkey Business".

In comparison to Dylan's sprawling body of work, Berry comes off as a one-trick pony. But it was one hell of a motherfuckin' trick.

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312player wrote:
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Not fair. Prince had 3-4 good songs.




Alright, I gotta ask..who's your top 5 artusts~bands all time?

Carl Perkins
Beatles
Stones
Chuck Berry
Elvis


That's inneresting.

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Beatles
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Elvis
JB
Beach Boys
Dylan

That's one too many.

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Brian Wilson whatever you want to call it

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I know JORR is, let's say a rock-and-roll minimalist, but "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and "Like a Rolling Stone" are both every bit as much a landmark in rock as "Johnny B. Goode."



I'm a huge fan of Dylan so in no way was I disparaging him. I was simply taking issue with 312player's contention that Berry was some trifle as a songwriter/lyricist.

If I had to pick the most important Dylan song, I'd go with "The Times They Are A-Changin'" or "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)". In fact, "Subterranean Homesick Blues" owes a whole lot to Berry's "Too Much Monkey Business".

In comparison to Dylan's sprawling body of work, Berry comes off as a one-trick pony. But it was one hell of a motherfuckin' trick.

Particularly considering he was the first RnR singer/songwriter.

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Not suggesting this is a harbinger of things to come...awesome B&G thread. Musical debate, WWF talk and Penn State blather 'all in one' (said in the tone of the ghey commercials they used to have late night on the U).

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Don't tell anyone, but Brian Wilson lifted the tune 'Sweet Little Sixteen' and wrote new lyrics over it ... that song was "Surfin' USA".

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Dan was positively giddy at the convictions of Spanier et al, but he kept saying these were FELONY convictions. Everything I've read say they were misdemeanors.

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Regardless of his talent I have to say I am surprised regular reader has not yet show up here. After all he would say it was Reagan's fault Berry was a criminal and not appropriately loved.

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Regardless of his talent I have to say I am surprised regular reader has not yet show up here. After all he would say it was Reagan's fault Berry was a criminal and not appropriately loved.

How much of a dumbass do you intend on being tonight?

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