Uh...constantly telling people how great he is, how great his possessions are?

It fits.

The same 1980s indulgence in possessions that created Trump, made Flair a reasonable character.

I thought everyone stole cable in the 80s?

How else are we going to watch the Drederick Tatum fight?

Man, you guys who appreciate the actual wrestling are interesting. I was raised by the WWF storyline driven stuff.



Dean Malenko is like a less exciting version of Bert Hart (Bert fits him better than Bret)

Yeah it has to be a mix of character and work.

I think it was Tully in the Flair documentary that said the NWA was more realistic and marketed towards adults while WWF was over-the-top and marketed towards kids. I agree. I enjoyed WWF and Hulkamania as a kid (like eveyone else) but the Dusty/Magnum TA/Horsemen stuff seemed more legit. Loved it.

Like when someone mentions the greatness of Greg Valentine. Im like...they tag team guy who later died his hair black to fit in with the Honky Tonk man?

I saw Greg Valentine at the DuPage County All Night Flea Market back in August. Dude looked like a walking corpse. Not good.

Yeah it has to be a mix of character and work.

I think it was Tully in the Flair documentary that said the NWA was more realistic and marketed towards adults while WWF was over-the-top and marketed towards kids. I agree. I enjoyed WWF and Hulkamania as a kid (like eveyone else) but the Dusty/Magnum TA/Horsemen stuff seemed more legit. Loved it.

I liked that one Nitro where Hogan wrestled Bret Hart and out of nowhere started doing all the technical wrestling moves.

Yeah it has to be a mix of character and work.

I think it was Tully in the Flair documentary that said the NWA was more realistic and marketed towards adults while WWF was over-the-top and marketed towards kids. I agree. I enjoyed WWF and Hulkamania as a kid (like eveyone else) but the Dusty/Magnum TA/Horsemen stuff seemed more legit. Loved it.

What made WCW so weird was its attempts to have it both ways, mostly after they landed Hulk Hogan but certainly before that as well. For the most part, WCW was presented as an athletic competition where the best wrestlers who established themselves around the world came to perform, and Mike Tenay would talk about how impressive all these Mexican and Japanese guys were. Also, there were Mortal Kombat knockoffs fighting each other and Hulk Hogan feuded with an evil leprechaun.

I felt like WCW usually treated the audience with some sort of respect, as if to say that it may be fake but you and I will agree to pretend it isn't, but also insulted its audience more deeply than the WWF ever could, which operated at a near-constant hum of BUY ALL OUR CRAP.

Conversely, I hated it when the Undertaker abandoned all the Old West/Goth/literally the undead trappings and was just like "uh I like motorcycles n shit and also I'm really into MMA now"

What a technical masterpiece! This Cruiserweight division is heating up!

And now....Robocop

What a technical masterpiece! This Cruiserweight division is heating up!

And now....Robocop

Conversely, I hated it when the Undertaker abandoned all the Old West/Goth/literally the undead trappings and was just like "uh I like motorcycles n shit and also I'm really into MMA now"

One of the saddest but funniest things was one Royal Rumble after the motorcycle persona was pushed. Undertaker rides out to make his entrance. He sucked at the time and got tossed pretty quickly. Two minutes later when another wrestler is making his entrance, you see Undertaker along the walkway riding his motorcycle to the back, defeated. Way to save your dignity!

One of the saddest but funniest things was one Royal Rumble after the motorcycle persona was pushed. Undertaker rides out to make his entrance. He sucked at the time and got tossed pretty quickly. Two minutes later when another wrestler is making his entrance, you see Undertaker along the walkway riding his motorcycle to the back, defeated. Way to save your dignity!

There were two biker Undertaker personas: there was the first I'M! AN! AMERICAN BADASS! one, which seemed kind of interesting at first because it was different, then there was the Undertaker when he shaved his head and was "Big Evil" and just seemed like a lazy piece of shit, and that was when I remember everyone being utterly sick to death of the guy. This was his theme music, which was basically jobber music but for one of the cornerstones of the company.

You may be mashing some together, but the RR that comes to mind in his biker gimmick was when Maven shock eliminated him, which led to Taker damn near murdering him, and Scotty 2 Hotty...

Yeah, I was basically done with wrestling by 2002-2003.

I never understood Lesnar's push to the moon. I thought he was boring. I do remember his title win at WM19, to quote Jim Cornette, EXPOSED THE WHOLE FUCKIN' BUSINESS because he botched a spot about as badly as one can botch a spot, then still won the match. After Lesnar fell on his head and concussed himself, Angle should have pinned, kept the belt, and vacated the title the next night. But then I also think the main event at that show obviously should have been Hogan-Austin, so that was just one big night of getting it wrong.