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Let's just think about this hypothetical situation. Imagine the NFL draft doesn't exist. However, the Cleveland Browns are allowed to offer a contract of $28 million over 4 years, and the second team can offer $24 million over 4 years, and the third team can offer $20 million over 4 years and then it goes down for the whole first round. So, a player can choose to sign up to play for the Eagles, but he's going to get $8 million over 4 years instead of playing for the Browns. So, the question is basically how much money are you willing to give up to not play for the Browns?


I think NBA Superteams have shown that players are perfectly fine leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table for the chance to play for a winner when there is almost no league influence on their ability to make a decision on where to play. Dwyane Wade accepted a buyout on a $20 million contract to go be Seventh Chair on the Cavs.



I don't think rookies would think that way, though.

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Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?

Why does an executive of a company that started in the mail room not take a paycut to pay them more?

Players are greedy, as they should be, and don't care about the financial future of college kids coming to take their jobs.

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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

Why do you care?


It seems a waste of time to debate in long posts about the pros and cons of a likely impossibility. That’s why.

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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

Why do you care?


It seems a waste of time to debate in long posts about the pros and cons of a likely impossibility. That’s why.

Well, then don't do it.

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Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?


This.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

Why do you care?


It seems a waste of time to debate in long posts about the pros and cons of a likely impossibility. That’s why.

Well, then don't do it.


Don’t tell me what to do or don’t bossy pants.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?

Why does an executive of a company that started in the mail room not take a paycut to pay them more?

Players are greedy, as they should be, and don't care about the financial future of college kids coming to take their jobs.


Well, if it is the result of collective bargaining between the relevant union and ownership...where exactly is the problem with the draft? It's unfair to people who want to join that union which originally negotiated for the unfairness? You don't get to change the master contract of your local just because you don't like the entrance to the hall. Don't want to be subject to the draft? Go join another professional football union.


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pittmike wrote:
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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

Why do you care?


It seems a waste of time to debate in long posts about the pros and cons of a likely impossibility. That’s why.


was my initial thought on this, but the idea still intrigued me enough to engage in debate on it


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Well, if it is the result of collective bargaining between the relevant union and ownership...where exactly is the problem with the draft? It's unfair to people who want to join that union which originally negotiated for the unfairness? You don't get to change the master contract of your local just because you don't like the entrance to the hall. Don't want to be subject to the draft? Go join another professional football union.

Something that is negotiated can be considered unfair especially when those doing the negotiation have no reason to want to fix it besides being sympathetic as they once went through it.

We'll use free agency as an example. I think we all agree that free agency is fair for players. It was not always allowed and those were negotiated contracts. Did is suddenly become fair the moment it became part of the contract? Now, keep in mind, the draft seems to exist because it always existed and therefore it isn't really negotiated.

You seem to be using the "It's how it is so how it is means it is the right way" type of argument.

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Oh, Dan just wants agents to make more money, duh, don't know why I didn't see it sooner.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Well, if it is the result of collective bargaining between the relevant union and ownership...where exactly is the problem with the draft? It's unfair to people who want to join that union which originally negotiated for the unfairness? You don't get to change the master contract of your local just because you don't like the entrance to the hall. Don't want to be subject to the draft? Go join another professional football union.

Something that is negotiated can be considered unfair especially when those doing the negotiation have no reason to want to fix it besides being sympathetic as they once went through it.

We'll use free agency as an example. I think we all agree that free agency is fair for players. It was not always allowed and those were negotiated contracts. Did is suddenly become fair the moment it became part of the contract? Now, keep in mind, the draft seems to exist because it always existed and therefore it isn't really negotiated.

You seem to be using the "It's how it is so how it is means it is the right way" type of argument.


When MLB free agency came about because of a negotiated-for process, it became the fair way to treat players. Before that, the fair way was to abide by the contracts the players readily signed with owners. You could try to make the argument that the players lacked the ability to bargain effectively, and as such their contracts should be reviewed heavily in their favor even to the point of being void or voidable, but outside of that, adhering to the contracts was the fair thing to do.


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When MLB free agency came about because of a negotiated-for process, it became the fair way to treat players. Before that, the fair way was to abide by the contracts the players readily signed with owners. You could try to make the argument that the players lacked the ability to bargain effectively, and as such their contracts should be reviewed heavily in their favor even to the point of being void or voidable, but outside of that, adhering to the contracts was the fair thing to do.
So this is just an argument that whatever is the current way we do things is the fair way to do things.

I mean, no one is arguing that Josh Rosen should sign a contract with the Giants and ignore the draft. The discussion is on how fair it is that Rosen has little to no say in his organization for the next 4 or so years.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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When MLB free agency came about because of a negotiated-for process, it became the fair way to treat players. Before that, the fair way was to abide by the contracts the players readily signed with owners. You could try to make the argument that the players lacked the ability to bargain effectively, and as such their contracts should be reviewed heavily in their favor even to the point of being void or voidable, but outside of that, adhering to the contracts was the fair thing to do.
So this is just an argument that whatever is the current way we do things is the fair way to do things.

I mean, no one is arguing that Josh Rosen should sign a contract with the Giants and ignore the draft. The discussion is on how fair it is that Rosen has little to no say in his organization for the next 4 or so years.


Rosen has all the say in the world as to whether he declares for the NFL draft and tries to join the requisite union. The fairness of the process by which the union has negotiated for people to enter the union itself is wholly irrelevant. If Rosen doesn't like this particular thing the union does or would require him to be subjected to, he is completely and totally free to not join that union. What could be more fair than that?


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Rosen has all the say in the world as to whether he declares for the NFL draft and tries to join the requisite union. The fairness of the process by which the union has negotiated for people to enter the union itself is wholly irrelevant. If Rosen doesn't like this particular thing the union does or would require him to be subjected to, he is completely and totally free to not join that union. What could be more fair than that?

Well, that takes us to the antitrust exemption, along with monopoly issues in regards to professional football. Since we are discussing "fairness" we can flat out say that there is no other reasonable option than to join the union and accept what was negotiated in the previous agreement. Therefore, your option for not wanting to play for the Browns, seems to be to not play in the only major pro football league in the country. Remember, this is simply about if it is fair for him. If you think it's fair to expect him to not play football because of it then I strongly disagree.

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It's well known that Goff, "Da Brotha" doesn't like gays. He gets a pass on his bigotry from all the liberals at the station because he is black.

I thought it was because he's a bottle service on the rooftop type guy? you gotta be pretty /"liberal" to make it with that crowd AFAIK

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?

It's unfair to people who aren't members of the union yet. It's fine once you have your money.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Rosen has all the say in the world as to whether he declares for the NFL draft and tries to join the requisite union. The fairness of the process by which the union has negotiated for people to enter the union itself is wholly irrelevant. If Rosen doesn't like this particular thing the union does or would require him to be subjected to, he is completely and totally free to not join that union. What could be more fair than that?

Well, that takes us to the antitrust exemption, along with monopoly issues in regards to professional football. Since we are discussing "fairness" we can flat out say that there is no other reasonable option than to join the union and accept what was negotiated in the previous agreement. Therefore, your option for not wanting to play for the Browns, seems to be to not play in the only major pro football league in the country. Remember, this is simply about if it is fair for him. If you think it's fair to expect him to not play football because of it then I strongly disagree.


Rosen has all the tools at his disposal to assess the risk of what he personally feels are sub-optimal working environments given his personal tastes. Nobody is hiding anything from him, he is going into this process with all the information he needs to make an informed decision about whether to subject himself to a scheme that might result in him playing football in Cleveland. You seem to want more than that, though. You want him to be able to have all this information, and then unilaterally make the decision that he feels is best for him regardless of the rights granted to other parties in the NFL via the CBA. That doesn't sound too fair, to me.


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It's well known that Goff, "Da Brotha" doesn't like gays. He gets a pass on his bigotry from all the liberals at the station because he is black.

Yeah, it's well-known that The Community is not widely accepting of gay black men, but Jason seems to take his revulsion to another level.

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Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?

It's unfair to people who aren't members of the union yet. It's fine once you have your money.


Yeah, and I don't get influence on the testing credentials of Local 150. I either have to abide by them or I'm not in the union. Unfair!

And even if I'm not in the union, I have to pay the union if I want to use their established hiring hall to find work. Unfair!


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Also, isn't the entry draft in every professional league specifically negotiated for? If the players all felt the draft is fundamentally unfair and said unfairness is a detriment to their members, why haven't they tried to negotiate it out of existence?

It's unfair to people who aren't members of the union yet. It's fine once you have your money.
That's the thing. The union members at the time of negotiation actually have a financial reason to give the future rookies a bad deal. That's why I found it funny they had to "negotiate" a lower rookie pay scale. I can only imagine how hard it was to sell the players on the idea that they would get more money, and the rookies would get less money. Unless you had a brother who was going to be a high draft pick in the draft in the few years why would you care?

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Rosen has all the tools at his disposal to assess the risk of what he personally feels are sub-optimal working environments given his personal tastes. Nobody is hiding anything from him, he is going into this process with all the information he needs to make an informed decision about whether to subject himself to a scheme that might result in him playing football in Cleveland. You seem to want more than that, though. You want him to be able to have all this information, and then unilaterally make the decision that he feels is best for him regardless of the rights granted to other parties in the NFL via the CBA. That doesn't sound too fair, to me.
There was no response to my post there. The NFL has a monopoly on professional football. There is no other option for him than to join the NFL or to not play professional football in this country. There can still be something unfair about a choice you ultimately make. I can give you many examples of decisions we make that involve unfairness. Your ultimate point is that it is how things are so it can't be considered unfair. Is that correct? Earlier today, you seemed to indicate it was unfair that RichRod got fired because of sexual harassment allegations. Well, that's how it works in 2018. You get accused, and there is reason to believe it's true, you get fired. Fair? He knew what the rules were when he signed his negotiated contract.

It seems like if we take your thoughts in this thread to it's logical conclusion, that NOTHING about the NFL and how they operate is unfair because that is how it is and it was negotiated. Is this correct?

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Whatever your objections are to sports drafts, framing them as "anti-American" is fallacious, especially coming from nominal liberals like Dan and Jason. Unabated free-market capitalism is terrible for lots of people, which is why America doesn't really have it (though not for the Republicans' lack of trying). Setting a baseline of fair competition doesn't have to be anti-American. Sounds like jingoistic populist pandering to me, Senor.

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It seems like if we take your thoughts in this thread to it's logical conclusion, that NOTHING about the NFL and how they operate is unfair because that is how it is and it was negotiated. Is this correct?


No.


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Even with the draft most leagues are still unbalanced. I would be shocked if it could be much worse. Especially in the NBA.

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It seems like if we take your thoughts in this thread to it's logical conclusion, that NOTHING about the NFL and how they operate is unfair because that is how it is and it was negotiated. Is this correct?


No.

So what is unfair for players in the NFL?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It seems like if we take your thoughts in this thread to it's logical conclusion, that NOTHING about the NFL and how they operate is unfair because that is how it is and it was negotiated. Is this correct?


No.

So what is unfair for players in the NFL?


One off the top of my head? Collectively bargaining for the Commissioner to set the standard of evidence in player disciplinary investigations, the Commissioner setting the standard as per his collectively-bargained powers, then abandoning that standard.


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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

This can be applied to almost any thought from an outsider to anything.


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Why do any of you care? The league and union will decide this if they want. You have been trolled.

This can be applied to almost any thought from an outsider to anything.


Yeah, and?

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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It seems like if we take your thoughts in this thread to it's logical conclusion, that NOTHING about the NFL and how they operate is unfair because that is how it is and it was negotiated. Is this correct?


No.

So what is unfair for players in the NFL?


One off the top of my head? Collectively bargaining for the Commissioner to set the standard of evidence in player disciplinary investigations, the Commissioner setting the standard as per his collectively-bargained powers, then abandoning that standard.

So leave the union then!

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