I've gotten the flu shot every year for about 15 years and I've never had a negative reaction. I had a similar one to you in regards to the COVID vaccine too.

I get not getting the flu vaccine, but the other reason to get it is that it often lessens the reaction you get to the actual flu even if you still get it. I don't even care if someone chooses to not get the COVID vaccine.

No reason there can't be a highly effective mrna flu vaccine in the future which will change a lot.

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Yeah they are in their 70's. You can say that about anything they might contract. Jason Heyward and Anthony Rizzo not being vaccinated isnt going to kill your parents.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Personally yes, I’d like to assume I would, though I don’t want to speak for the Cubs.

That said, the likelihood of an injury in a car crash seems far greater if you’re thrown from your seat. I have no stats to support that (and one anecdote that would suggest the opposite), but it seems like common sense. The odds of a significant adverse reaction from an actual COVID infection for many of these athletes is de minimis.

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I agree. If that is your reason, fine. No need to go further.

Its when people scream IT"S UNSAFE when heart inflammation effects 0.0026% of vaccine recipients, so people then use that as a crutch NOT to get the vaccine. That type of misinformation is a big problem, and is rapant in the Covid section and elsewhere here.

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We have no idea what the actual rate of heart inflammation is. And we certainly don't know what it does to younger people.

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Wfr, what is the long term impact of getting Covid? I mean you are scared of a vaccine that has been extensively tested, is highly effective and has not killed many people vs a disease that has wiped out millions in the short term and who knows what long term impact it might have.

You are more scared of a proven safe vaccine vs an unknown killer virus that keeps mutating. I just do not get your logic here.

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This is what I'm concerned about. Penicillin was invented. Now we have super strong bacterium resistant to antibiotics. Why? Because we overprescribed antibiotics for common stuff that one's own body can, 99.97% of the time, be taken care of by our bodies. Let's not go down that road again with common flu and common colds.

Just use this as a blanket reply to him.

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Antibiotics, actually bad?

That's a new one.

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People live on average until 80 now because of things like antibiotics. And because of all these drugs that go through rigorous trials but still have “unknown long term effects”.

Are we just going to stop believing in the scientific method because of Trump?

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Here's some education. This guy invented the technology used in the vaccines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

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Are you having difficulty reading? He didn't say "bad". He said "overprescribed".

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Is this you also not arguing against the vaccine?

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I don't give a fuck if you take ten vaccines. I'm arguing against people trying to shame or force me into getting one.

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Overprescribed antibiotics, actually bad is not a new one however.

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The vaccines being administered went through large scale trials, the same process we use for any drug. Many drugs get approved with experimental or new technology, and that is why we run trials. The trials proved they were safe and effective. Covid on the other hand has killed millions, and puts millions more in the hospital.

So if you are just doing a simple cost/benefit analysis, I will take safe and effective vs the killer virus.

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Then do that. Say "It should be my choice to get one" and no one should argue with you on it.

Posting some youtube video with the title "Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic " is arguing against the vaccine.

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As I said earlier, I am not shaming anyone. Ignore those people. But please be objective in your risk assessment of whether you should get it. The evidence is there, and it is overwhelming.

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It's not a proven safe vaccine though. It's an experimental vaccine. And I've known many people to have terrible side effects from the vaccine. At least two were so sick that they had to call the doctor. I know someone with blood-clotting issues. I know of two people who had to be hospitalized with seizures. This is all from the vaccine.

I've known several people who have had COVID. The worse I've heard from them is can't taste or smell months after. That's admittedly terrible. But most said it was a cold, and they were tired for a day.

Medicine has clearly become politicized especially around this virus. I don't trust what's being pushed down my throat anymore. If I get it I am confident I am healthy enough to beat it. If I am sick I will stay home. Will I get an auto-immune disorder from the vaccine? I don't know, but it's a possibility. It's a possibility with the flu vaccine. And I know of a few people that has happened to.

I believe that your body can combat the flu and COVID-19 if you are a healthy adult. I will take my chances of not catching it rather than being the sickest I have been in my life voluntarily as a "good" outcome.

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The trials were obviously much shorter and less extensive than is typical. It was called Operation Warp Speed not Operation Careful and Precise.

And again for Brick, I'm not "arguing against" the vaccines. Put whatever you want in your body but stop insisting others do the same.

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What is the point of the youtube video you shared then?

I guess you could say I'm not "arguing for" the vaccine either.

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That's what this whole thread is about, the idea that people, especially Cub players, have a duty to be vaccinated. The fact that the spike protein is toxic and the guy that invented the technology says so is just answering the question, "Why don't you want to do 'what's right'?"

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The point is there are valid reasons not to take the vaccines. And even if there weren't it's still not dan bernstein's fucking business.

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Then don't say you aren't arguing against the vaccine.

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But that doesn't automatically make it dangerous or unsafe, which is what you and MANY others are arguing even though you say you aren't.

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We went from safe and effective to it probably safe and be sure to get your booster in 6 months.

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Can you read?

It’s just a dressed up way of saying “we have players who have no intention of being vaccinated.”

What does "Let's not go down that road again" mean if it isn't from a belief that it was a mistake?

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This is really what it comes down to.

Hell, someone can be pro-vaccine or just truly indifferent and simply not want to take the time to do it. It doesn’t make them irresponsible or a black sheep of society with no redeeming qualities. They just don’t want to.