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Chicago Cubs investigating fan who appeared to flash white power sign on air


The Cubs are investigating after a fan appeared to flash a racist hand gesture on a live broadcast on Tuesday.

By Tim Elfrink May 8 at 4:54 AM

On a chilly Tuesday night at Wrigley Field, the cameras cut to former outfielder Doug Glanville, now an analyst for NBC Sports Chicago. As Glanville praised Chicago’s resurgent offense, a bearded fan in the background mugged for the camera.

Then, the fan in a Cubs hoodie formed his hand into an upside-down “OK” sign, holding it next to Glanville’s head until the camera cut to a graphic.

To many viewers, the gesture was reminiscent of one recently adopted as a symbol of white power flashed by far-right militia members and by the terrorist who killed 50 Muslim worshipers in New Zealand. The Cubs say they’re investigating what they called the “offensive hand gesture,” and threatened to ban the fan for life.

“Such ignorant and repulsive behavior is not tolerated at Wrigley Field,” Crane Kenney, the Cubs’ president of business operations, said in a statement released early Wednesday. “We are reviewing the incident thoroughly because no one should be subjected to this type of offensive behavior.”

The case marks the latest high-profile emergence of the hand symbol and suggests yet again how thoroughly troubling language and memes pushed by the alt-right and adopted by hate groups have infiltrated American culture. But such gestures, which can run the gamut from ironic jokes to long-running games to outright symbols of intolerance, are also notoriously difficult to interpret.



The “OK” hand gesture as a symbol of white intolerance apparently started as a joke by trolls on the 4chan message board in early 2017, as The Washington Post’s Eli Rosenberg and Abby Ohlheiser reported. The idea, according to message boards uncovered by BuzzFeed News, was to trigger liberals and trick the media by pretending the widely used hand signal had a secret racist meaning.

But as the tongue-in-cheek movement grew, the gesture was appropriated by those who really did use it as a sign of white supremacy. It’s now become ubiquitous at far-right gatherings, the Southern Poverty Law Center notes, making it nearly impossible to untangle its ironic use from those meaning it as a straightforward slur. That’s actually the idea.

“The point of the stunt would be to get liberals wound up, so they can then claim that liberals are just imagining things,” noted Salon writer Amanda Marcotte in September. “That was what the OK symbol was literally invented to do: Both serve at a white supremacist symbol and also one that is just ordinary-enough looking that when liberals expressed outrage, the white supremacist could play the victim of liberal hysteria.”



Even that level of nuance, however, seemed lost in March when the hand gesture was flashed in a New Zealand courtroom by Brenton Tarrant, the Australian terrorist who attacked two mosques and espoused a racist, Islamophobic worldview.

The fact that the fan on Tuesday used the symbol behind Glanville, who is black, only adds to the suggestion that it was meant as a racist gesture. It comes at a delicate moment for the Cubs, who have faced backlash after racist and Islamophobic emails sent and received by Joe Ricketts, the billionaire patriarch of the family who owns the franchise and Wrigley Field, were published in February. Ricketts has since apologized and his family has noted that he plays no active role in team management.

In his statement, Kenney pledged that the team would take the on-air gesture seriously.

“Any derogatory conduct should be reported immediately to our ballpark staff,” he said. “Any individual behaving in this manner will not only be removed from the ballpark, but will be permanently banned from Wrigley Field.”

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Pretty sure they were playing the circle game, but that dude should be punched because he's flashing the circle above his waist.

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?


Well, sorta. But I don't think that's the case here.

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in for outrage by julie dicaro and kellyawallace

Just wait until the Tariq Nasheeds and Shaun Kings of the world get mention of it.

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?


Well, sorta. But I don't think that's the case here.


Seems a dumb symbol. They should just yell freebird or bababooey.

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?


So what is the reason for flashing this?


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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?


So what is the reason for flashing this?


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That's clearly the circle hame.

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This is horrible. When things like this happen I turn to one person for perspective and answers. That person is Jason Goff. I eagerly await him telling me how to deal with this.

I'm scared. The world we live in is a horrible and dangerous place now.

Excuse me while I hug my wife and kids. :cry:

Wait...I don't have a wife or kids.

Can I borrow somebody's wife and kids so I can hug them? In times like this, I want to have a nice family moment even if it's not my own family.


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To us older bigots that's an air dick :wink:

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?

half the article is dedicated to explaining to the reader it's genesis. so, yes?


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I had no idea 'white power' even had a hand signal.

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I had no idea 'white power' even had a hand signal.


White Supremisists like to keep thin


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I had no idea 'white power' even had a hand signal.


Everyone has a hand signal. :lol:

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?

half the article is dedicated to explaining to the reader it's genesis. so, yes?


I think his point is that it's hard to know what you can and can't do anymore because it's impossible to keep up with modern symbolism that changes every day, particularly online.

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Ok is now a white power signal? Honestly, who can keep up with all this online symbolism bullshit?

half the article is dedicated to explaining to the reader it's genesis. so, yes?


I think his point is that it's hard to know what you can and can't do anymore because it's impossible to keep up with modern symbolism that changes every day, particularly online.

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I think the Cubs fan just loved Virginia.

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Someone on WSCR calling in earlier made me think about this a bit. I remember when I was young all the gangs in Chicago had special hand signs. Disciples, Kings, Insane Popes, Two-Six etc. There were times when civilians were killed due to innocently appearing to be making gang signs.

Maybe that was a small amount or not hardly true at all. But I would bet the vast majority of the population had no idea what the signs were or were for. How does the average person even know about white power signs or hand circle punch me games?

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This is why we need to find the guys twitter account to see if he has any racist tweets. That is how these mysteries are solved.

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So "Cousin Eddie" was a racist too? :? :(
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So "Cousin Eddie" was a racist too? :? :(
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What really pisses me off is that I was doing it with BOTH hands. Motherfuckers cut my scene .

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there was some other guy who was fired for doing this recently on TV

edit: found it. it was a coast guard person, not sure if he was fired or not
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coast-guard-member-flashes-white-power-hand-signal-tv-n909856



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Wrigley's been a hot bed for racists for years

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