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The lack of star power in this winter’s free agent class has been well-documented. However, come this time next year, teams could be vying to sign one of the most intriguing players ever to hit the open market.

Meet Shohei Otani, a 22-year-old who was named Most Valuable Player of the Pacific League of Nippon Professional Baseball on Sunday.

Otani is a two-way star coming off one of the greatest seasons in Japanese history. He is a right-handed pitcher and left-handed-hitting designated hitter for the Nippon Ham Fighters and is equally adept both on the mound and at the plate.

Otani had a 10-4 record and 1.86 ERA in 21 games, 20 of which were starts, while posting a 0.95 WHIP and 11.2 strikeouts and 2.9 walks per nine innings. He also batted .322 with 22 home runs and a 1.004 OPS in 104 games.

Through his four pro seasons, Otani is 39-13 with a 2.49 ERA and has a .275 batting average with 40 home runs and an .838 OPS.

“He’s the modern-day Babe Ruth,” a Pacific Rim scout from an American League team said. “He’s a top-of-the-rotation pitcher and the middle-of-the-order hitter. We haven’t seen anything like him in modern times. Whenever he comes to America, he’s going to break the bank. There has never been anybody in free agency who could ever market themselves as a two-way player before.”

Players cannot become free agents in the NPB until they accumulate nine years of service time.

However, there is talk that the Fighters will allow him the opportunity to come to the major leagues next winter via the posting system. They would almost certainly gain the maximum $20 million posting fee from the major-league team that would sign Otani.

Some major-league executives believe Otani could possibly command a contract of at least $200 million if posted and some suggest he could even reach $250 million.

Otani throws his fastball in the high-90s and has been clocked as high as 103 mph. He complements it with a low-90s forkball that appears to “fall off the table” as it reaches home plate.

Though his changeup is still in the rudimentary stages, the scout said “it doesn’t matter because his other pitches are so good.”

Otani is also an outstanding athlete, who played a combined 62 games on the outfield corners in his first two NPB seasons. However, a sprained ankle sustained early in the 2014 season caused the Fighters to use exclusively as a DH the past two seasons.

The scout believes Otani would be able to handle major league pitching.

“His power is just starting to develop and he has a good eye,” the scout. “I’m sure there would be an initial adjustment period, more than it would be for him as a pitcher, but he has great talent.”

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What I've heard is that this guy is insistent on continuing to both pitch and bat on days when he is not pitching. Most big league organizations aren't keen on this. The Cubs might be one that would allow it. In MLB front offices these types of players have come to be referred to as "Bumgarners" and the organization has to make the call on which way to go with them.

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What I've heard is that this guy is insistent on continuing to both pitch and bat on days when he is not pitching. Most big league organizations aren't keen on this. The Cubs might be one that would allow it. In MLB front offices these types of players have come to be referred to as "Bumgarners" and the organization has to make the call on which way to go with them.


If he's as good as they say I would let him do both.

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Nas wrote:
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What I've heard is that this guy is insistent on continuing to both pitch and bat on days when he is not pitching. Most big league organizations aren't keen on this. The Cubs might be one that would allow it. In MLB front offices these types of players have come to be referred to as "Bumgarners" and the organization has to make the call on which way to go with them.


If he's as good as they say I would let him do both.


I believe the thinking is that if you do that the player will never reach his peak at either.

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Sox have a good amount of money coming off the books next year as well but not addressing a 2017 need in hopes of landing a guy for 2018 sounds like Knicks planning.

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Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0


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She was awful on Saturday Night Live


:lol: For some reason I felt I would fuck Otari if I had the shot.

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
She was awful on Saturday Night Live


:lol: For some reason I felt I would fuck Otari if I had the shot.


I liked her work on the show.

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Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
She was awful on Saturday Night Live


:lol: For some reason I felt I would fuck Otari if I had the shot.


I would have too, with a bag over her head...she had weird eyes.

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With the new CBA, this guy isn't coming over now.


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With the new CBA, this guy isn't coming over now.


Yep, with the new CBA Otani won't play in the MLB until 2019.


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SteveSarley wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Because the Cubs are in on him.

If this was someone the Sox were looking at, he would be slobbering all over him.

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RFDC wrote:
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Because the Cubs are in on him.

If this was someone the Sox were looking at, he would be slobbering all over him.


In on him?

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Otani wont be coming to MLB until 2019. Nobody is "in on him" at all.

edit- this has already been mentioned in this thread. i see that now.


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Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


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Keyser Soze wrote:
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Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


So did Nolan Ryan

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Keyser Soze wrote:
SteveSarley wrote:
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Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


Is it 100% he will come as a pitcher? I've read a few articles talking about how his bat is MLB ready too.

Fail as a pitcher? Turn him into an outfielder. Problem solved!


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SirTinkleButton wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
SteveSarley wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


Is it 100% he will come as a pitcher? I've read a few articles talking about how his bat is MLB ready too.

Fail as a pitcher? Turn him into an outfielder. Problem solved!


Like I said, a guy I know who works in a big league front office told me he is insistent on doing both in the big leagues and there just aren't many teams, if any, that are going to allow that.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SirTinkleButton wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
SteveSarley wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


Is it 100% he will come as a pitcher? I've read a few articles talking about how his bat is MLB ready too.

Fail as a pitcher? Turn him into an outfielder. Problem solved!


Like I said, a guy I know who works in a big league front office told me he is insistent on doing both in the big leagues and there just aren't many teams, if any, that are going to allow that.


I agree with that, there is too much risk involved by doing both. I was referring to the Rick Ankiel approach.


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SirTinkleButton wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
SirTinkleButton wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
SteveSarley wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Damaged goods. Tanaka 2.0

Why do you say that, Keyser?

Japanese pitchers are absolutely abused as amateurs. This guy threw 187 pitches in a game then came back 2 days later and threw 100 more. Dice-k and Darvish blew out and Tanaka is pitching with a torn ligament in his elbow. This guy will do the same. He's a ticking time bomb.


Is it 100% he will come as a pitcher? I've read a few articles talking about how his bat is MLB ready too.

Fail as a pitcher? Turn him into an outfielder. Problem solved!


Like I said, a guy I know who works in a big league front office told me he is insistent on doing both in the big leagues and there just aren't many teams, if any, that are going to allow that.


I agree with that, there is too much risk involved by doing both. I was referring to the Rick Ankiel approach.


The guy did compare him to Babe Ruth. :lol:

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Is it 100% he will come as a pitcher?

Yes


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Other big market teams are not so lucky. The penalties do carry over to the next CBA — you didn’t think MLB would let those teams get away easy, did you? — which means the Athletics, Astros, Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, Nationals, Padres, Reds, and Royals will all still be dealing with the penalties from their recent international spending sprees. They can’t offer Otani more than $300,000. Right off the bat, potential suitors like the contending Astros, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Giants, and Nats are out of the race. The Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, Mariners, and Rangers will be the only traditional big market clubs not subject to the $300,000 limit.

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If he comes over the Cubs will not be a team that can sign him. And it sure looks like he's coming over despite the new rules.


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Jeff Passan is on with Spiegel and Parkins right now and was asked about this guy and Parkins reaction was pretty funny

Passan: I would rank him above every pitcher except Kershaw, Scherzer, and Sale

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Sox have a good amount of money coming off the books next year as well but not addressing a 2017 need in hopes of landing a guy for 2018 sounds like Knicks planning.



He's not interested in going to guaranteed seat field, pipe dream buddy, ain't happenin

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