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Do you blame Maddon, the bullpen, Theo, the starting pitching, the offense or are the Dodgers just that much better?

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The blame is squarely on the hitters. Secondary blame is split between poor fielding and bullpen arms.

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The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.

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Drake LaRrieta wrote:
Do you blame Maddon, the bullpen, Theo, the starting pitching, the offense or are the Dodgers just that much better?

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The Cubs hitters run into these 3-5 game funks.

The Dodgers are really fucking good, and as deep as the Cubs

Carl Edwards cannot pitch back to back days.

Bets didn't pay off on Uehara or Wilson.

It was a good run, they learned a lot about their young players like Happ and Baez. They probably need to trade one position player and spend FA money (or take expensive contracts) for pitching.

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According to Bosio, sitting on the tarmac.


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According to Bosio, sitting on the tarmac.

That was so pathetic. Maybe he should tell his bullpen to rest instead of dancing.

Never hear Coop say something so weak as that.


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I blame the 2016 Cubs for winning the WS. Made the 2017 Cubs a bunch of soft little bitches.


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Peter Puck wrote:
Peoria Matt wrote:
According to Bosio, sitting on the tarmac.

That was so pathetic. Maybe he should tell his bullpen to rest instead of dancing.

Never hear Coop say something so weak as that.

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IMU wrote:
The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.


GAME 1 - Quintana - 5 IP, 2 ER, 89 pitches, coughs up lead. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 2 - Lester 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 5BB, 102 pitches. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 3 - Hendrix 5 IP, 3 ER, 82 pitches, leaves game down 3-1. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

The hitters have been terrible, the bullpen has been completely exposed, the manager is borderline brain damaged, but to say the starting pitching has been amazing is ridiculous. they needed these guys to step up and deliver amazing performances and get the pressure off of this bad bullpen and none of them have come through. Quintana came the closest but even he looked bad in the 5th inning and coughed it up. Not one of these starters has stepped up and given them the outing this team desperately needs, and Arrieta is likely to be another member of the "5-inning club" tonight.


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The cubs were not the best team in the series.
The hitting couldn't beat the Dodgers pitchers.
The cubs defense was not good.
The Dodgers bullpen was magnificent.
Some poor bullpen decisions, some questionable lineup decisions.

Things that aren't at fault directly but sure don't help:
Heyward was god awful.
Baez was god awful.
Bryant was god awful.


Essentially the cubs out kicked their coverage this season. This team was not good for any prolonged stretch. By the all star break we all knew it. Beating the nationals was all a out that team being poorly led and shifting themselves

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This team is in trouble over the next few years, holes all over the roster. The saving grace is they play in the NL.


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man of few opinions wrote:
IMU wrote:
The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.


GAME 1 - Quintana - 5 IP, 2 ER, 89 pitches, coughs up lead. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 2 - Lester 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 5BB, 102 pitches. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 3 - Hendrix 5 IP, 3 ER, 82 pitches, leaves game down 3-1. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

The hitters have been terrible, the bullpen has been completely exposed, the manager is borderline brain damaged, but to say the starting pitching has been amazing is ridiculous. they needed these guys to step up and deliver amazing performances and get the pressure off of this bad bullpen and none of them have come through. Quintana came the closest but even he looked bad in the 5th inning and coughed it up. Not one of these starters has stepped up and given them the outing this team desperately needs, and Arrieta is likely to be another member of the "5-inning club" tonight.

It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.

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 Post subject: Re: Who's to Blame?
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IMU wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
IMU wrote:
The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.


GAME 1 - Quintana - 5 IP, 2 ER, 89 pitches, coughs up lead. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 2 - Lester 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 5BB, 102 pitches. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 3 - Hendrix 5 IP, 3 ER, 82 pitches, leaves game down 3-1. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

The hitters have been terrible, the bullpen has been completely exposed, the manager is borderline brain damaged, but to say the starting pitching has been amazing is ridiculous. they needed these guys to step up and deliver amazing performances and get the pressure off of this bad bullpen and none of them have come through. Quintana came the closest but even he looked bad in the 5th inning and coughed it up. Not one of these starters has stepped up and given them the outing this team desperately needs, and Arrieta is likely to be another member of the "5-inning club" tonight.


It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


For teams with capable bullpens.


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This team is in trouble over the next few years, holes all over the roster. The saving grace is they play in the NL.


They do not have holes all over their roster. A couple bullpen arms and a reliable starter and they are good to go.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
According to Bosio, sitting on the tarmac.

Oh fucking please tell me he’s not going there .

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MartyD47 wrote:
IMU wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
IMU wrote:
The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.


GAME 1 - Quintana - 5 IP, 2 ER, 89 pitches, coughs up lead. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 2 - Lester 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 5BB, 102 pitches. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 3 - Hendrix 5 IP, 3 ER, 82 pitches, leaves game down 3-1. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

The hitters have been terrible, the bullpen has been completely exposed, the manager is borderline brain damaged, but to say the starting pitching has been amazing is ridiculous. they needed these guys to step up and deliver amazing performances and get the pressure off of this bad bullpen and none of them have come through. Quintana came the closest but even he looked bad in the 5th inning and coughed it up. Not one of these starters has stepped up and given them the outing this team desperately needs, and Arrieta is likely to be another member of the "5-inning club" tonight.


It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


For teams with capable bullpens.

So then you want to blame the GM and President.

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"5 innings is normal" is not the same thing as 'Amazing' starting pitching.

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It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


this team i am sure expected more than 5, 4.2, and 5 from those guys and there is nothing about any of those performances that were "amazing". they were all a letdown when they needed a lockdown. especially when everyone knows getting to the cubs bullpen was essential. All three of those guys knew they had to go out and pitch deep and none of them could. ESPECIALLY lester, his start was a particularly huge disappointment.


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man of few opinions wrote:
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It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


this team i am sure expected more than 5, 4.2, and 5 from those guys and there is nothing about any of those performances that were "amazing". they were all a letdown when they needed a lockdown. especially when everyone knows getting to the cubs bullpen was essential. All three of those guys knew they had to go out and pitch deep and none of them could. ESPECIALLY lester, his start was a particularly huge disappointment.

I would agree you need to be shooting for higher than 5... for comparison sake you have 8.1, 9, 9, 9, and 9 by the 2005 ALCS champions.

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the manager is borderline brain damaged


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man of few opinions wrote:
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It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


this team i am sure expected more than 5, 4.2, and 5 from those guys and there is nothing about any of those performances that were "amazing". they were all a letdown when they needed a lockdown. especially when everyone knows getting to the cubs bullpen was essential. All three of those guys knew they had to go out and pitch deep and none of them could. ESPECIALLY lester, his start was a particularly huge disappointment.


While Q had a rough inning and Hendricks wasn't really sharp, both could have (and should have) been sent back out for another inning or two. Maddon is too quick on the trigger. Especially with this shit bullpen. I would rather have a not-so-sharp starter in the game than anyone in the bullpen at this point.


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IMU wrote:
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The starting pitching has been amazing.

Blame the hitters.


GAME 1 - Quintana - 5 IP, 2 ER, 89 pitches, coughs up lead. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 2 - Lester 4.2 IP, 1 ER, 5BB, 102 pitches. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

GAME 3 - Hendrix 5 IP, 3 ER, 82 pitches, leaves game down 3-1. Early bullpen night. Not amazing.

The hitters have been terrible, the bullpen has been completely exposed, the manager is borderline brain damaged, but to say the starting pitching has been amazing is ridiculous. they needed these guys to step up and deliver amazing performances and get the pressure off of this bad bullpen and none of them have come through. Quintana came the closest but even he looked bad in the 5th inning and coughed it up. Not one of these starters has stepped up and given them the outing this team desperately needs, and Arrieta is likely to be another member of the "5-inning club" tonight.


It is the postseason. 5 IP is pretty much normal for every starter.


For teams with capable bullpens.

So then you want to blame the GM and President.


after blaming the rotation, sure. There's been nothing "amazing" about the Cubs rotation.


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