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I was shocked they got what they got for him. To me he was a salary dump.



That's crazy talk too. If you look at the Cub rotation going forward and what is available in free agency, getting Quintana- or a guy like him- was critical for this team's future. The thing I would be concerned about is that a big part of his value was all the innings he covered. Now all of a sudden he didn't get 200 innings for the first time.

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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


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I would have traded Quintana to the Nippon Ham Fighters so he could join Jose Abreu.

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No but I hate Joe Orr. Just seems like a nasty guy.


:lol: Thanks for your input.

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No but I hate Joe Orr. Just seems like a nasty guy.
Were the Sox dumb to trade Quintana?

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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

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America wrote:
I was shocked they got what they got for him. To me he was a salary dump.



That's crazy talk too. If you look at the Cub rotation going forward and what is available in free agency, getting Quintana- or a guy like him- was critical for this team's future. The thing I would be concerned about is that a big part of his value was all the innings he covered. Now all of a sudden he didn't get 200 innings for the first time.


Because he was absolutely awful for more than half of the season.

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Caller Bob wrote:
No but I hate Joe Orr. Just seems like a nasty guy.
Were the Sox dumb to trade Quintana?


It's a win/win for both teams, though Cease will be a bust. Already hurt. It all comes down to Eloy.


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Nas wrote:
I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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No but I hate Joe Orr. Just seems like a nasty guy.
Were the Sox dumb to trade Quintana?


It's a win/win for both teams, though Cease will be a bust. Already hurt. It all comes down to Eloy.
So, are you taking back your thought that the Sox should have built around Sale and Quintana?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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No but I hate Joe Orr. Just seems like a nasty guy.
Were the Sox dumb to trade Quintana?


It's a win/win for both teams, though Cease will be a bust. Already hurt. It all comes down to Eloy.
So, are you taking back your thought that the Sox should have built around Sale and Quintana?


I would not say that.


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Nas wrote:
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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

Fair enough, I just dont know anyone could be comfortable going up against the other premier #2 pitchers.

Here are the #2 guys in the playoffs (you can argue some of them are 1s but just put the other guy in there and comparison works)

Strasburg
Darvish
Tanaka
Price
Verlander
Ray
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Quintana doesn't belong with those guys.


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I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.


The Nationals and Dodgers are 2 of those twams.

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Q isn't even in the top 5 Cubs responsible for this shitshow series.


This ^

I hate Heyward, Edwards and Baez's swing.

“Respect me” Rizzo’s 1 for 19 in the NLCS didn’t make your list?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.

To win the world series, you pretty much need a #2 pitching like he could be a #1 for most teams.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

Fair enough, I just dont know anyone could be comfortable going up against the other premier #2 pitchers.

Here are the #2 guys in the playoffs (you can argue some of them are 1s but just put the other guy in there and comparison works)

Strasburg
Darvish
Tanaka
Price
Verlander
Ray
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Quintana doesn't belong with those guys.


Better than Ray and everyone else are arguably a #1.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

Fair enough, I just dont know anyone could be comfortable going up against the other premier #2 pitchers.

Here are the #2 guys in the playoffs (you can argue some of them are 1s but just put the other guy in there and comparison works)

Strasburg
Darvish
Tanaka
Price
Verlander
Ray
Carrasco



Quintana doesn't belong with those guys.


Better than Ray and everyone else are arguably a #1.

but they're not. That's the point. They could be on another team but they're not on another team. So they're the #2. Because that's what good teams do, they have two #1's.

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Q isn't even in the top 5 Cubs responsible for this shitshow series.


This ^

I hate Heyward, Edwards and Baez's swing.

“Respect me” Rizzo’s 1 for 19 in the NLCS didn’t make your list?


That turned out to be unfortunate.

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Nas wrote:
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I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.


The Nationals and Dodgers are 2 of those twams.



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Nas wrote:
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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

Fair enough, I just dont know anyone could be comfortable going up against the other premier #2 pitchers.

Here are the #2 guys in the playoffs (you can argue some of them are 1s but just put the other guy in there and comparison works)

Strasburg
Darvish
Tanaka
Price
Verlander
Ray
Carrasco



Quintana doesn't belong with those guys.


Better than Ray and everyone else are arguably a #1.

He's not better than Ray right now.

And it doesn't matter how you rank them on an average team. Those are the guys starting Game 2's. I need someone better than Q going up against them.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.

To win the world series, you pretty much need a #2 pitching like he could be a #1 for most teams.


I agree it's best to have 2 dominant pitchers but I like the Hendricks and Quintana's ans believe that you can win a WS with them as top 3 pitchers. Next year the Cubs may not have a true #1 unless they make a trade or go shopping.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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He's definitely a #2 and showed that the last couple of months. He even pitched better or just as well as 2 of the top 3 pitchers in baseball during the playoffs.

No he's not.

He is absolutely not the #2 on a World Series team. Maybe on a bad team.


I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season. He was arguably the Cubs best pitcher the last 2 months. Bosio will help him take another step forward.

Fair enough, I just dont know anyone could be comfortable going up against the other premier #2 pitchers.

Here are the #2 guys in the playoffs (you can argue some of them are 1s but just put the other guy in there and comparison works)

Strasburg
Darvish
Tanaka
Price
Verlander
Ray
Carrasco



Quintana doesn't belong with those guys.


Better than Ray and everyone else are arguably a #1.

He's not better than Ray right now.

And it doesn't matter how you rank them on an average team. Those are the guys starting Game 2's. I need someone better than Q going up against them.


Ray had a great season. I would also like to have a dominant Lester and Arrieta at the top of my rotation too.

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Nas wrote:
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I disagree. He's probably the #2 next season.


That may be, but that's saying more about the Cub rotation than it is about him.

Also, I think we have to clarify what we mean when we call a guy a "#1, #2, etc." I think those labels don't really have anything to do with where they fit on a particular team, i.e. some teams may have two #1's and most teams don't have a #1 at all.

To win the world series, you pretty much need a #2 pitching like he could be a #1 for most teams.


I agree it's best to have 2 dominant pitchers but I like the Hendricks and Quintana's ans believe that you can win a WS with them as top 3 pitchers. Next year the Cubs may not have a true #1 unless they make a trade or go shopping.

Yea, no problem with Q and Hendricks being 2/3 or 2a and 2b


I wish the shaming of Strasburg had went through and they had to trade him.


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David Price ended the season as a reliever. :lol:

Coming off an injury. Im sure they still plan to start him in Game 2 next year.

You can throw Pomeranz in there. Quintana is probably on his level. They are the worst of that group.


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David Price ended the season as a reliever. :lol:
So thats one out of six that Q might be better than.

RPB is correct. Q isn't a rag arm, but he does not belong in the conversation with those guys...or Kershaw, or Sale, or the other #1's.

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David Price ended the season as a reliever. :lol:
So thats one out of six that Q might be better than.

RPB is correct. Q isn't a rag arm, but he does not belong in the conversation with those guys...or Kershaw, or Sale, or the other #1's.


Other than Ray there really isn't an argument that you would rather have Quintana. Those guys have been studs for years. Some suck under pressure though.

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