It is currently Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:08 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 205 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:43 pm
Posts: 20537
pizza_Place: Joes Pizza
Juiced wrote:
Agreed. At least we can look at BOS and have hope for the future.

We can't.

Cub minors are a barren wasteland and the international FA loophole isn't what it used to be.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:14 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
pittmike wrote:
The thing is that this is the way it is supposed to work. A person in charge has about a 10 year lifespan. Theo said it himself. They did it according to the plan and you simply have to hope you got as many WS wins as possible. So far one looks like not enough to satisfy fans of the process.

One World Series is definitely a failure according to IMU

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 4:29 pm
Posts: 39753
Location: Everywhere
pizza_Place: giordanos
FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
The thing is that this is the way it is supposed to work. A person in charge has about a 10 year lifespan. Theo said it himself. They did it according to the plan and you simply have to hope you got as many WS wins as possible. So far one looks like not enough to satisfy fans of the process.

One World Series is definitely a failure according to IMU


That's Cub.

_________________
Brick wrote:
Biden is doing a GOOD job.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:30 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
pittmike wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
The thing is that this is the way it is supposed to work. A person in charge has about a 10 year lifespan. Theo said it himself. They did it according to the plan and you simply have to hope you got as many WS wins as possible. So far one looks like not enough to satisfy fans of the process.

One World Series is definitely a failure according to IMU


That's Cub.
:lol:

IMU wrote:
I'm comfortable in saying that by 25 years old Russell will be an ~.800 OPS hitter.

In fairness to IMU, he didn't say exactly who Russell would be hitting.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:19 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm
Posts: 81627
good dolphin wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
since 2016....bad bad bad

time to start thinking about launching this guy

heyward
darvish (over jake)
chatwood
morrow
quintana trade
still no drafted pitching

dirtiest move is shifting focus away from his failures and pinning the spotlight towards maddon. what a snake


it essentially mirrors what happened in boston, where he was run out of town in a gorilla suit


There was a myth forwarded by apologists that John Henry MADE him spend bad money on free agents

He didnt even leave for years after the gorilla suit and he was never run out of town.

You take a decent post about the Boston/Chi similarities and completely ruin it with that non sense.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:30 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
He will be an .800 OPS hitter this year, his age 25 season.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
IMU wrote:
He will be an .800 OPS hitter this year, his age 25 season.

You're only trying to fool yourself at this point.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:50 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
IMU wrote:
He will be an .800 OPS hitter this year, his age 25 season.
Nope. And he may not even by on the Cub by season's end.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Well, at least I'm 100% correct in the Cubs winning a World Series and yet the results from the rebuild still seem like a disappointment. The Cubs have now been fully eclipsed by the Brewers and possibly even the Cardinals. The Cubs have made some poor moves in the last two years.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:54 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
IMU wrote:
Well, at least I'm 100% correct in the Cubs winning a World Series and yet the results from the rebuild still seem like a disappointment.
So now its a disappointment. A few years ago you said that one WS would be a failure.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
Frank Coztansa wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well, at least I'm 100% correct in the Cubs winning a World Series and yet the results from the rebuild still seem like a disappointment.
So now its a disappointment. A few years ago you said that one WS would be a failure.

Failures are disappointing.

If the Cubs run is done...ending in last year's Wild Card round exit... this rebuild and the Theo/Jed tenure failed to deliver what they could/should have.

Setting up the team for a dynasty and then letting Arrieta sign elsewhere and missing out on landscape changing free agents. Stupid.

1 World Series win, 2 NLCS losses and a brief wild card appearance does not total enough points on my point system to rank as a successful run. Not after a series of absolutely putrid seasons.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:03 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
I appreciate your honesty.

IMO, the World Series win trumps everything. But if the Cubs run is done, I do think it will be looked back upon like the mid 80's Bears where you think "How did they only win one WS?"

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:31 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well, at least I'm 100% correct in the Cubs winning a World Series and yet the results from the rebuild still seem like a disappointment.
So now its a disappointment. A few years ago you said that one WS would be a failure.

Failures are disappointing.

If the Cubs run is done...ending in last year's Wild Card round exit... this rebuild and the Theo/Jed tenure failed to deliver what they could/should have.

Setting up the team for a dynasty and then letting Arrieta sign elsewhere and missing out on landscape changing free agents. Stupid.

1 World Series win, 2 NLCS losses and a brief wild card appearance does not total enough points on my point system to rank as a successful run. Not after a series of absolutely putrid seasons.


I agree with you that the run is over, but you're crazy if you think a WS win doesn't overshadow everything else... particularly the first one in over 100 years. Theo is great at building a winner. His track record at maintaining a winner is spottier. Still, one of the all-time great front office guys in baseball history.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:05 am
Posts: 25181
Location: Cultural Mecca
pizza_Place: Pequod's / Barnaby's
The 2016 trophy sparks no joy when watching the last 4 Cubs games. That trophy is clutter.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:06 am
Posts: 6479
IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
IMU wrote:
Well, at least I'm 100% correct in the Cubs winning a World Series and yet the results from the rebuild still seem like a disappointment.
So now its a disappointment. A few years ago you said that one WS would be a failure.



1 World Series win, 2 NLCS losses and a brief wild card appearance does not total enough points on my point system to rank as a successful run. Not after a series of absolutely putrid seasons.


Winning the WS and two NLCS losses and a Wild Card is a successful run no matter how you look at it.

Doesn't mean we look at the future with blinders on and ignore the mistakes that are being made at an alarming rate.

What have you done for me lately? Theo even said you don't form opinions on past performances.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:20 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
good dolphin wrote:
world series justifies everything


Smart man here.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I appreciate your honesty.

IMO, the World Series win trumps everything. But if the Cubs run is done, I do think it will be looked back upon like the mid 80's Bears where you think "How did they only win one WS?"

I don't think that's really a fair question. It's pretty fucking hard to win a World Series. Ask a Dodgers fan

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:57 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Theo won two with the Red Sox, and they have since won two more since he departed. The Giants won three in four years. The Rangers, Royals, and Dodgers have played in back to back WS in recent history.

It's very hard, but not impossible.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:46 pm
Posts: 9953
pizza_Place: Q's Hillside
I think this is the last year of the window. If they don't get their act together by the ASB, Theo's going to start dealing everybody playing well not named Rizzo, Baez, or Lester, and set themselves up for flexibility for the 2021 strike and the subsequent CBA.

_________________
"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80165
The two WS that are really attributable to Theo are due to, in each instance, one scrap heap guy from another team somehow gaining unbefore seen Herculean strength under Theo's watch and leading that team by achieving MVP level numbers.

There may be no single person in baseball other than Bonds who has benefitted from performance enhancing drugs.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
good dolphin wrote:
The two WS that are really attributable to Theo are due to, in each instance, one scrap heap guy from another team somehow gaining unbefore seen Herculean strength under Theo's watch and leading that team by achieving MVP level numbers.

There may be no single person in baseball other than Bonds who has benefitted from performance enhancing drugs.


Don't make me go back on calling you smart in this thread.

You cannot credit Theo's success to steroids when players on every team were taking steroids.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:06 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72289
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Theo won two with the Red Sox, and they have since won two more since he departed. The Giants won three in four years. The Rangers, Royals, and Dodgers have played in back to back WS in recent history.

It's very hard, but not impossible.

Your Rangers and Dodgers examples back up my point, not yours :lol:

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80165
leashyourkids wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
The two WS that are really attributable to Theo are due to, in each instance, one scrap heap guy from another team somehow gaining unbefore seen Herculean strength under Theo's watch and leading that team by achieving MVP level numbers.

There may be no single person in baseball other than Bonds who has benefitted from performance enhancing drugs.


Don't make me go back on calling you smart in this thread.

You cannot credit Theo's success to steroids when players on every team were taking steroids.


Then Papi and Arrietta must have been taking a lot more

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 am
Posts: 32235
Location: A sterile, homogeneous suburb
pizza_Place: Pizza Cucina
You're just spit balling. We have no idea who was and was not taking steroids. Could have been 80%. Could have been 40%. Could have been 20%. As such, everything has to be judged at face value. Every other player who has ever improved might have been on illegal substances too.

_________________
Curious Hair wrote:
I'm a big dumb shitlib baby


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Theo's Record
PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:53 pm 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101893
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Theo won two with the Red Sox, and they have since won two more since he departed. The Giants won three in four years. The Rangers, Royals, and Dodgers have played in back to back WS in recent history.

It's very hard, but not impossible.

Your Rangers and Dodgers examples back up my point, not yours :lol:
Not at all. My point is that ten, fifteen years from now people may look back and be puzzled at how the Cubs "only" won a single title. Just like the 80s Bears. Even if the Cubs win another pennant, that would make the era seem much more dominant to those who didn't live thru it.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 205 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group