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I would bet he outhomers Jose next year.



What's the wager? How about lunch at Chicago Cut?


I'd go to lunch with you without a bet, but it wouldn't be at Chicago Cut.



You aren't a fan? How about 222 N. La Salle- Prime & Provisions?


Do you have accounts at these places?

I like Erie Cafe for a steak or giving the business to SICP guys at Gibsons.

I'd think a good place for us guys would be Club Lago, but that is an entirely different place. Have one of those lunches at about 1 where, at some point, you look at your watch and say "no point in going back now"

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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I would bet he outhomers Jose next year.



What's the wager? How about lunch at Chicago Cut?


I'd go to lunch with you without a bet, but it wouldn't be at Chicago Cut.



You aren't a fan? How about 222 N. La Salle- Prime & Provisions?


Do you have accounts at these places?

I like Erie Cafe for a steak or giving the business to SICP guys at Gibsons.

I'd think a good place for us guys would be Club Lago, but that is an entirely different place.


I love Erie Cafe and Club Lago. You can pick.

Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
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I would bet he outhomers Jose next year.



What's the wager? How about lunch at Chicago Cut?


I'd go to lunch with you without a bet, but it wouldn't be at Chicago Cut.



You aren't a fan? How about 222 N. La Salle- Prime & Provisions?


Do you have accounts at these places?

I like Erie Cafe for a steak or giving the business to SICP guys at Gibsons.

I'd think a good place for us guys would be Club Lago, but that is an entirely different place.


I love Erie Cafe and Club Lago. You can pick.

Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.

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Thi$ look$ like a humblebrag bet of deni$ proportions…..



I was just trying to think of places downtown to make the bet worthwhile. I'd love to finish with a 20 year old Tawny Port on dolphin's dime.

I'm not a snob though. We can make it Ghareeb Nawaz or Lindo Michoacan or East of Edens if he prefers.

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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.


Okay, deal.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Thi$ look$ like a humblebrag bet of deni$ proportions…..



I was just trying to think of places downtown to make the bet worthwhile. I'd love to finish with a 20 year old Tawny Port on dolphin's dime.

I'm not a snob though. We can make it Ghareeb Nawaz or Lindo Michoacan or East of Edens if he prefers.


Hey I was drinking $2.50 Miller Lite drafts last night at what CB would call a racist bar…..

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.


Okay, deal.

No injury protection?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Thi$ look$ like a humblebrag bet of deni$ proportions…..



I was just trying to think of places downtown to make the bet worthwhile. I'd love to finish with a 20 year old Tawny Port on dolphin's dime.

I'm not a snob though. We can make it Ghareeb Nawaz or Lindo Michoacan or East of Edens if he prefers.


Club Lago is a really nice, old school, guys kind of place. It just doesn't turn into a dance club after the last sitting. It reminds me of Louie's in The Godfather

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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.


Okay, deal.

No injury protection?


I'm in without it even though I'm taking the old guy.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.
You think Vaughn is going to get traded? I think that's the only way he and FAR SUPERIOR face each other in the 2023 postseason.

What the White Sox have done on the field and in their front office over the last ~14 months is nothing short of disgusting. I can't remember an offseason in recent memory where I felt worse about this team than I do now. They 'tanked' for years to give themselves this window, and now are seemingly doing everything they can to not win.

They are a joke and I think they will be lucky to win 80 games next season.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.
You think Vaughn is going to get traded? I think that's the only way he and FAR SUPERIOR face each other in the 2023 postseason.

What the White Sox have done on the field and in their front office over the last ~14 months is nothing short of disgusting. I can't remember an offseason in recent memory where I felt worse about this team than I do now. They 'tanked' for years to give themselves this window, and now are seemingly doing everything they can to not win.

They are a joke and I think they will be lucky to win 80 games next season.


imagine being 86 years old with probably one last legitimate chance to win and after amassing billions for your partners but saying "no, we have to stick to a strict budget to be in the black for this year"

What the fuck did you gain the billions for if not to splurge once in a while.

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good dolphin wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.
You think Vaughn is going to get traded? I think that's the only way he and FAR SUPERIOR face each other in the 2023 postseason.

What the White Sox have done on the field and in their front office over the last ~14 months is nothing short of disgusting. I can't remember an offseason in recent memory where I felt worse about this team than I do now. They 'tanked' for years to give themselves this window, and now are seemingly doing everything they can to not win.

They are a joke and I think they will be lucky to win 80 games next season.


imagine being 86 years old with probably one last legitimate chance to win and after amassing billions for your partners but saying "no, we have to stick to a strict budget to be in the black for this year"

What the fuck did you gain the billions for if not to splurge once in a while.


This is Ricky Hahn's show unless the Sox suck. Then you can blame Uncle Jerry and Kenny. We don't know if the Sox will suck next season.

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imagine being 86 years old with probably one last legitimate chance to win and after amassing billions for your partners but saying "no, we have to stick to a strict budget to be in the black for this year"

What the fuck did you gain the billions for if not to splurge once in a while.


i think it's just an engrained mentality. My mom isn't a billionaire, but she's not poor. Her #1 priority in any home improvement purchase is cost. If there's a stove that's 100$ more than the cheapest one but 10x better, she'd buy the cheaper one.


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Anybody who thinks Hahn is something other than simply a mouthpiece for Kenny and Jerry is sorely mistaken.

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Anybody who thinks Hahn is something other than simply a mouthpiece for Kenny and Jerry is sorely mistaken.


This is what Hahn feeds the media until the Sox do something good/great. Then we hear he's in control. He can't have it both ways.

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Anybody who thinks Hahn is something other than simply a mouthpiece for Kenny and Jerry is sorely mistaken.

He's definitely a front for Kenny, but he's more than a mouthpiece. He has a voice....he likely makes a lot of decisions, but all of them seem to need clearance from Kenny and Jerry. THEN....you have some situations where Kenny has a "brilliant" idea to sign someone and Rick is completely overruled.

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What should Hahn get credit for, if anything?

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With Clevenger being signed, we are back to "re-tooling". This is a team that will be looking to flip players at the deadline, not competing to get into the playoffs.


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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.
You think Vaughn is going to get traded? I think that's the only way he and FAR SUPERIOR face each other in the 2023 postseason.

What the White Sox have done on the field and in their front office over the last ~14 months is nothing short of disgusting. I can't remember an offseason in recent memory where I felt worse about this team than I do now. They 'tanked' for years to give themselves this window, and now are seemingly doing everything they can to not win.

They are a joke and I think they will be lucky to win 80 games next season.


imagine being 86 years old with probably one last legitimate chance to win and after amassing billions for your partners but saying "no, we have to stick to a strict budget to be in the black for this year"

What the fuck did you gain the billions for if not to splurge once in a while.


This is Ricky Hahn's show unless the Sox suck. Then you can blame Uncle Jerry and Kenny. We don't know if the Sox will suck next season.

The Guardians curb stomped them the final series when everything was on the line. Now we lost 2 of our top 5 players. As of this writing, they objectively suck.


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The Guardians curb stomped them the final series when everything was on the line. Now we lost 2 of our top 5 players. As of this writing, they objectively suck.

Everybody is going to be healthy all year next season and Vaughn will hit 40 dingers.

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The Guardians curb stomped them the final series when everything was on the line. Now we lost 2 of our top 5 players. As of this writing, they objectively suck.

Everybody is going to be healthy all year next season and Vaughn will hit 40 dingers.

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The Guardians curb stomped them the final series when everything was on the line. Now we lost 2 of our top 5 players. As of this writing, they objectively suck.
Forget Cleveland.

The Astros skulled fucked them in 2021, then went on to win the World Series this season. That is the bar the Sox need to be measured with. The Sox are light years behind the Astros in terms of being considered a World Series team. In that light, they absolutely objectively suck.

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The Guardians curb stomped them the final series when everything was on the line. Now we lost 2 of our top 5 players. As of this writing, they objectively suck.
Forget Cleveland.

The Astros skulled fucked them in 2021, then went on to win the World Series this season. That is the bar the Sox need to be measured with. The Sox are light years behind the Astros in terms of being considered a World Series team. In that light, they absolutely objectively suck.

Well the Stros let arguably their best player walk in FA last year, so maybe Kenny/Hahn are following that blueprint.

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I get what Frank is saying. But you can't really forget the Guardians. Realistically if the Sox are going to get to the level of the Astros then they have to be able to get past the teams in their own division.

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Two Wild Card teams played in the NLCS this year. Teams can make a WS run without winning a division.

The Sox will not be 95 losses bad. Barring an unforeseen change within in the entire philosophy of the organization, they will suck next season in terms of missing the playoffs.

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Do we have a bet? I know you say you'd meet for lunch without it, but the fact that Vaughn will hit ten fewer homers than Abreu will insure it.


yes. regular season, of course.

We'll settle while watching them play against each other in the playoffs in October.
You think Vaughn is going to get traded? I think that's the only way he and FAR SUPERIOR face each other in the 2023 postseason.

What the White Sox have done on the field and in their front office over the last ~14 months is nothing short of disgusting. I can't remember an offseason in recent memory where I felt worse about this team than I do now. They 'tanked' for years to give themselves this window, and now are seemingly doing everything they can to not win.

They are a joke and I think they will be lucky to win 80 games next season.


imagine being 86 years old with probably one last legitimate chance to win and after amassing billions for your partners but saying "no, we have to stick to a strict budget to be in the black for this year"

What the fuck did you gain the billions for if not to splurge once in a while.


You think Reinsdorf's partners are holding him back? I think they're probably all of like mind: business first, hobby second.


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You think Reinsdorf's partners are holding him back?


I think most of the partners have made and continue to make so much money with the Bulls that Reinsdorf can do whatever he wants with the Sox and they'll go along. A few guys that aren't on the Bulls gravy train may complain, but what can they really say? Reinsdorf has finagled a stadium that is basically free and he gets the state- yeah, that's you and me- to pay for improvements every year.

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