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badrogue17 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

vitoscotti wrote:

Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR.

He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture.

LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino.

I think Ron Gant accused him of racism .

With the Braves?

badrogue17 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

vitoscotti wrote:

Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR.

He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture.

LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino.

I think Ron Gant accused him of racism .

With the Braves?

Nas wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

vitoscotti wrote:

Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR.

He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture.

LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino.

I think Ron Gant accused him of racism .

With the Braves?

??? Gant played for the Cardinals too.

Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness.

We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays.

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Get your shit together. This defeatist attitude isn't a good look. Having a strong chin is a prerequisite for Chicago fandom.

Nas wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Get your shit together. This defeatist attitude isn't a good look. Having a strong chin is a prerequisite for Chicago fandom.

But clearly not a prerequisite for playing short stop in Chicago.

Jesse apparently calling out a bunch of players?

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I'm not even saying I agree. The Gashouse Gang were drunks in dirty jerseys. The A's had ridiculous facial hair and circus uniforms. But the culture either matters or it doesn't. I tend to think the Sox suck because they don't hit well or pitch well. Not because of a lack or rules or who the manager is.

Bingo. Those were legitimately Great (with a capital G) teams. The Sox have bad players.

As far as leadership matters--and it does to an extent--the Sox don't have that, either. Timmy is more Reggie Jackson than Thurmon Munson. @deacon ==> that was one hell of a book. It's been ringing in my ears like a great album all damn summer!!!

Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

I've also been thinking quite a bit about what Martin would do with this team. It really doesn't have a Jacksonlike personality that would stand up to him and I suspect he would just be able to impose his will.

Buck Showalter is already employed, at least for now, and I don't know if there's another big personality manager out there these days.

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville.

I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Get your shit together.

Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

So you think put Ozzie in the dugout and with all the same players they would be a contender?

Idk.

I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit.

Nas wrote:

I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit.

Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues.

But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle.

RFDC wrote:

Nas wrote:

I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit.

Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues.

But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle.

Sorry, RFDC, I had to laugh.... They have pitching issues, hitting issues, defense issues, baseball IQ issues, development issues, scouting issues, leadership issues, clubhouse issues, fan relations issues, and ownership issues.

Nardi wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Nas wrote:

I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit.

Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues.

But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle.

No doubt there are more issues than just pitching. But I meant more from the stand point of you can fix everything else and yet if they dont address pitching it is not going to help much.

wasnt this a problem like 10/15 yrs ago too w the wsox lockeroom? I remember reading somewhere guys use to bring their girlfriends to the clubhouse to have sex.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:15 pm ]
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Nas wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR. He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture. LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino. I think Ron Gant accused him of racism . With the Braves? ??? Gant played for the Cardinals too.

Author:	BigW72 [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:18 pm ]
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I hate this team

Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:19 pm ]
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Nas wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR. He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture. LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino. I think Ron Gant accused him of racism . With the Braves? No, he is Brave.

Author:	Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:19 pm ]
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Jesse apparently calling out a bunch of players?

Author:	Nas [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:29 pm ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Nas wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: vitoscotti wrote: Bernstein calling Jerry Reinsdorf a racist for hiring TLR. He (Jerry Reinsdorf) wanted the baseball police to come in because he was afraid of the embrace of another culture. LaRussa has never been "the baseball police." He's always been a players' manager. About the only beef he has ever had with a player was with J.D. Drew, who last I checked, wasn't a Joyful Latino. I think Ron Gant accused him of racism . With the Braves? ??? Gant played for the Cardinals too. I didn't remember his time there.

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Author:	Nardi [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:51 pm ]
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Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:53 pm ]
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Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays.

Author:	This Ends in Antioch [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:55 pm ]
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Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:58 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point. You guys could buy those Lets Get Nashty t-shirts

Author:	Nardi [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:03 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point. My baseball fandom has never been at a lower point. They move and I'll consider it hockey. Completely off my radar. https://youtu.be/yrG8HKaGHBk?t=14

Author:	Nas [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:05 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point. Get your shit together. This defeatist attitude isn't a good look. Having a strong chin is a prerequisite for Chicago fandom.

Author:	denisdman [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:07 pm ]
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Nas wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point. Get your shit together. This defeatist attitude isn't a good look. Having a strong chin is a prerequisite for Chicago fandom. But clearly not a prerequisite for playing short stop in Chicago.

Author:	Nas [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:17 pm ]
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denisdman wrote: Nas wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Let's face it. Hahn's rebuild deals were our last great hope after the previous ten years of haplessness. We are now at Less Than Zero. There's no 'retooling'. It isn't possible. All this dirty laundry is a blessing in disguise. JR is now backed into a corner. He has to exterminate or he'll have a fan base of Nas and little kids who want to run bases on sundays. Bernstein floated the possibility of a real owner eventually buying the team and moving them to Nashville. I’m not even sure that would bother me at this point. Get your shit together. This defeatist attitude isn't a good look. Having a strong chin is a prerequisite for Chicago fandom. But clearly not a prerequisite for playing short stop in Chicago.

Author:	HawaiiYou [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:22 pm ]
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: Jesse apparently calling out a bunch of players? Moncada isn’t a hard worker??? This is breaking news?

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:10 pm ]
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This team is vastly different to the 2021 club. Its not even up for a debate, its fact. Let's break it down for the old, decrepit guy. Comparing 2021 to opening day 2023 Different guy at 1st, worse Different guy at 2nd, worse Same SS, worse Same 3rd, but he's only had 190 at bats. Jake Burger has played more 3rd. Equal at best LF is probably close to the same CF is better this year RF probably equal, still bad Only 3/5 (brogue's favorite fraction!) of the starting rotation is the same. Other than 5.0 innings from Hendriks, and 20.0 innings with Lopez, the atrocious Aaron Bummer is the only reliver who was there in 2021. Outside of Zavala and his buck sixty average, the bench is also completely different. Katz and Boston are the only coaches still there. So yeah other than 75% of the regular positon player, 40% of the rotaion, 90+% of the bullpen and bench being different, I guess it is the same team Maybe you're looking at harvested box scores because the rest of us here in reality see an entirely different team, Jorr

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Author:	Warren Newson [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 5:47 pm ]
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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm not even saying I agree. The Gashouse Gang were drunks in dirty jerseys. The A's had ridiculous facial hair and circus uniforms. But the culture either matters or it doesn't. I tend to think the Sox suck because they don't hit well or pitch well. Not because of a lack or rules or who the manager is. Bingo. Those were legitimately Great (with a capital G) teams. The Sox have bad players. As far as leadership matters--and it does to an extent--the Sox don't have that, either. Timmy is more Reggie Jackson than Thurmon Munson. @deacon ==> that was one hell of a book. It's been ringing in my ears like a great album all damn summer!!! I've also been thinking quite a bit about what Martin would do with this team. It really doesn't have a Jacksonlike personality that would stand up to him and I suspect he would just be able to impose his will. Buck Showalter is already employed, at least for now, and I don't know if there's another big personality manager out there these days.

Author:	badrogue17 [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:00 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote: Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm not even saying I agree. The Gashouse Gang were drunks in dirty jerseys. The A's had ridiculous facial hair and circus uniforms. But the culture either matters or it doesn't. I tend to think the Sox suck because they don't hit well or pitch well. Not because of a lack or rules or who the manager is. Bingo. Those were legitimately Great (with a capital G) teams. The Sox have bad players. As far as leadership matters--and it does to an extent--the Sox don't have that, either. Timmy is more Reggie Jackson than Thurmon Munson. @deacon ==> that was one hell of a book. It's been ringing in my ears like a great album all damn summer!!! I've also been thinking quite a bit about what Martin would do with this team. It really doesn't have a Jacksonlike personality that would stand up to him and I suspect he would just be able to impose his will. Buck Showalter is already employed, at least for now, and I don't know if there's another big personality manager out there these days. I dont think Bochy is a fuck around on manager

Author:	Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:37 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote: Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: I'm not even saying I agree. The Gashouse Gang were drunks in dirty jerseys. The A's had ridiculous facial hair and circus uniforms. But the culture either matters or it doesn't. I tend to think the Sox suck because they don't hit well or pitch well. Not because of a lack or rules or who the manager is. Bingo. Those were legitimately Great (with a capital G) teams. The Sox have bad players. As far as leadership matters--and it does to an extent--the Sox don't have that, either. Timmy is more Reggie Jackson than Thurmon Munson. @deacon ==> that was one hell of a book. It's been ringing in my ears like a great album all damn summer!!! I've also been thinking quite a bit about what Martin would do with this team. It really doesn't have a Jacksonlike personality that would stand up to him and I suspect he would just be able to impose his will. Buck Showalter is already employed, at least for now, and I don't know if there's another big personality manager out there these days. They have the right guy working on TV with Chuck Garfein. I'm not a big fan of that guy, but there's enough talent on this team that he'd have them competing in a year or two. Of that I have no doubt.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:40 pm ]
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So you think put Ozzie in the dugout and with all the same players they would be a contender? Idk.

Author:	HawaiiYou [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:46 pm ]
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wasnt this a problem like 10/15 yrs ago too w the wsox lockeroom? I remember reading somewhere guys use to bring their girlfriends to the clubhouse to have sex.

Author:	Nas [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:47 pm ]
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I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:56 pm ]
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Nas wrote: I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit. Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues. But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle.

Author:	Nardi [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:16 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit. Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues. But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle. Sorry, RFDC, I had to laugh.... They have pitching issues, hitting issues, defense issues, baseball IQ issues, development issues, scouting issues, leadership issues, clubhouse issues, fan relations issues, and ownership issues.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:20 pm ]
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Nardi wrote: RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit. Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues. But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle. Sorry, RFDC, I had to laugh.... They have pitching issues, hitting issues, defense issues, baseball IQ issues, development issues, scouting issues, leadership issues, clubhouse issues, fan relations issues, and ownership issues. No doubt there are more issues than just pitching. But I meant more from the stand point of you can fix everything else and yet if they dont address pitching it is not going to help much.

Author:	Nardi [ Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:30 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: Nardi wrote: RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: I don't think the Sox can run this back with Hahn and Grifol. I love Ozzie, but I'm not sure he is the answer. This team needs pitching and a lot of other shit. Yeah I definitely think Ozzie could help with the culture issues. But until they deal with the pitching issues they are going to struggle. Sorry, RFDC, I had to laugh.... They have pitching issues, hitting issues, defense issues, baseball IQ issues, development issues, scouting issues, leadership issues, clubhouse issues, fan relations issues, and ownership issues. No doubt there are more issues than just pitching. But I meant more from the stand point of you can fix everything else and yet if they dont address pitching it is not going to help much. It can't be fixed. It's over for this regime. If you hire Ozzie as a bandaid, all that will be accomplished will be giving Ozzie a heart attack and you've wasted a year.