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Nas wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nas wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Nas wrote:

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

Not really. He's a bat. Probably like Napoli. No big deal.

He's a GREAT at bat with a lot of winning intangibles. He's not a Napoli.

That still describes Napoli.

Schwarber is Big Papi. Napoli hit 30+ home runs once in his career. Schwarber will do that annually if he's healthy.

Another Cub prospect who is a Hall of Famer? Where are RPB and RFDC to eaplain how no Cub fans ever say that shit? I highly doubt Schwarber will have the career Napoli already has.

That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it.

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it.

Stairs had a really good career but when you have a stud prospect you dream a little bit more.

I know everyone will think I'm insane but I think Schwarber will be the best hitter on the team next season.

I'm not drunk on Baez I just think him and Albert Almora are worth Chris Sale.

Nas wrote:

Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys.

Hendricks
Baez
Almora
Torres
Volgelbach
Edwards

True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards.

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

Always risky betting on a fat guy. .

Nas wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it.

I don't think it's insane. But it's a tall order, with Rizzo and Bryant both MVP candidates again next year. But Schwarber is a special hitter and I am excited to see what he can do in a full season. if he can stay healthy. It should be a lot of fun to watch those 3 back to back. So glad Theo didn't deal Schwarber.

312player wrote:

Nas wrote:

Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys.

Hendricks
Baez
Almora
Torres
Volgelbach
Edwards

True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards.

Hot Carl came in a trade

good dolphin wrote:

312player wrote:

Nas wrote:

Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys.

Hendricks
Baez
Almora
Torres
Volgelbach
Edwards

True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards.

Hot Carl came in a trade

True, and he was in the 48th round, 5 rounds after Ron Schuellers daughter and 8 rounds after Reinsdorphs grandson. :lol:

Nas wrote:

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside

He showed up in a cape when it mattered.

Nas wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside

He showed up in a cape when it mattered.

what an amazing four games

I guess I still think Kyle Fuller is going to be special so I have can't talk

5 home runs
10 RBI
1 SB
1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles)

312player wrote:

5 home runs
10 RBI
1 SB
1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles)

I believe he was talking about 2016.

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Nas wrote:

JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside.

and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside

He showed up in a cape when it mattered.

what an amazing four games

I guess I still think Kyle Fuller is going to be special so I have can't talk

Yeah. A guy with home run power who showed he could hit singles!

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

312player wrote:

5 home runs
10 RBI
1 SB
1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles)

I believe he was talking about 2016.

You talking bout yourself in the third person? The guy came in cold from knee surgery after being out for 6 months and hit well against righties n lefties..the Cubs don't win if he isn't playing in the WS.

312player wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

312player wrote:

5 home runs
10 RBI
1 SB
1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles)

I believe he was talking about 2016.

Do you know what thread you are in?

People are talking about trading Sale mostly for Schwarber who is a home run hitter who is coming off a massive knee injury who showed no ability to hit the long ball in the games he played.

He wasn't supposed to be playing and he hit a couple of doubles off the wall. You don't really believe that knee injury cost him his power.

Nas wrote:

He wasn't supposed to be playing and he hit a couple of doubles off the wall. You don't really believe that knee injury cost him his power.

You don't trade Chris Sale for him and cross your fingers.

That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either.

Nas wrote:

That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either.

He may be healthy and not be a 35 a year home run hitter.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Nas wrote:

That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either.

He may be healthy and not be a 35 a year home run hitter.

Back injuries are an issue with power. His knee injury isn't a problem. Doctors understand this. His play in the WS tells you he isn't a Derrick Rose either.

Nas wrote:

:lol:

Okay

Don't get me wrong either. I would trade for Schwarber in the right package. It's just a tough chance to take that you are giving up one of the great pitchers of our generation for a guy with one season of results who clearly was either not 100% by the World Series or lacks the power he once displayed. Both of those options make it difficult to trust that you won't look stupid by giving up Sale for an average DH.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Nas wrote: JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside. Not really. He's a bat. Probably like Napoli. No big deal. He's a GREAT at bat with a lot of winning intangibles. He's not a Napoli. That still describes Napoli. Schwarber is Big Papi. Napoli hit 30+ home runs once in his career. Schwarber will do that annually if he's healthy. Another Cub prospect who is a Hall of Famer? Where are RPB and RFDC to eaplain how no Cub fans ever say that shit? I highly doubt Schwarber will have the career Napoli already has. You were just telling us that Bryant's ceiling was Matt Stairs last year.

Author:	Joe Orr Road Rod [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:24 pm ]
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That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it. Stairs had a really good career but when you have a stud prospect you dream a little bit more. I know everyone will think I'm insane but I think Schwarber will be the best hitter on the team next season.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Nas wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: That's not what I said. I said if you could lock in Matt Stairs' career before Bryant had ever played a big league game, most Cub fans wouldn't do it. Stairs had a really good career but when you have a stud prospect you dream a little bit more. I know everyone will think I'm insane but I think Schwarber will be the best hitter on the team next season. I don't think it's insane. But it's a tall order, with Rizzo and Bryant both MVP candidates again next year. But Schwarber is a special hitter and I am excited to see what he can do in a full season. if he can stay healthy. It should be a lot of fun to watch those 3 back to back. So glad Theo didn't deal Schwarber.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:29 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
America wrote: I'm not drunk on Baez I just think him and Albert Almora are worth Chris Sale. You would be wrong today, tomorrow and every tomorrow thereafter. Even if you were assured each of those guys would realize his best projections, those two are not worth Chris Sale

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Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:30 am ]
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312player wrote: Nas wrote: Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys. Hendricks Baez Almora Torres Volgelbach Edwards True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards. Hot Carl came in a trade

Author:	312player [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
good dolphin wrote: 312player wrote: Nas wrote: Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys. Hendricks Baez Almora Torres Volgelbach Edwards True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards. Hot Carl came in a trade True, and he was in the 48th round, 5 rounds after Ron Schuellers daughter and 8 rounds after Reinsdorphs grandson.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:44 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
312player wrote: good dolphin wrote: 312player wrote: Nas wrote: Last year the Sox could have probably gotten all of these guys. Hendricks Baez Almora Torres Volgelbach Edwards True, though I believe Vogelbach is a bum, The Sox are drafting Jerry's neices and nephews in the 38th round while the Cubs are grabbing Carl Edwards. Hot Carl came in a trade True, and he was in the 48th round, 5 rounds after Ron Schuellers daughter and 8 rounds after Reinsdorphs grandson. who did the Cubs take in those rounds in the same draft, because if those guys didn't make it then didn't prove your point

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:47 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside. and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside He showed up in a cape when it mattered.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside. and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside He showed up in a cape when it mattered. what an amazing four games I guess I still think Kyle Fuller is going to be special so I have can't talk

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside. and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside He showed up in a cape when it mattered. what an amazing four games I guess I still think Kyle Fuller is going to be special so I have can't talk Yeah. A guy with home run power who showed he could hit singles!

Author:	312player [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
5 home runs 10 RBI 1 SB 1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles)

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:49 pm ]
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312player wrote: 5 home runs 10 RBI 1 SB 1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles) I believe he was talking about 2016.

Author:	312player [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Boilermaker Rick wrote: 312player wrote: 5 home runs 10 RBI 1 SB 1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles) I believe he was talking about 2016. You talking bout yourself in the third person? The guy came in cold from knee surgery after being out for 6 months and hit well against righties n lefties..the Cubs don't win if he isn't playing in the WS.

Author:	America [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
You have to balance out how ludicrous the idea of Sale being Randy Johnson is with the fact that Sale through age 27 has been much better RJ was through that age, but ask what you would give up for 27 year old Randy Johnson at Brett Cecil prices for the next 3 years. You think of it that way and it seems ludicrous that any player with less than a full season under his belt could be considered off limits in any sense. And guys like Schwarber who really still occupy the land of "talented but uncertain", I mean how many of those would you have to be offered to give up a HOF level guy? Now you walk it all back a little because Sale has a long way to go before anyone thinks Cooperstown, and the injury risk inherent to all pitchers is a dark cloud hanging over any deal, but the point still stands...the Sox need to be absolutely blown away by a prospect package that is nearly unprecedented in league history ON TOP of some MLB ready players who are very high on the talent scale. Anything less...I dont think I can stomach it.

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Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:56 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: good dolphin wrote: Nas wrote: JORR would love Schwarber if he played on the southside. and you love him even though he didn't play on the northside He showed up in a cape when it mattered. what an amazing four games I guess I still think Kyle Fuller is going to be special so I have can't talk Yeah. A guy with home run power who showed he could hit singles! Clutch

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
312player wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: 312player wrote: 5 home runs 10 RBI 1 SB 1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles) I believe he was talking about 2016. You talking bout yourself in the third person? The guy came in cold from knee surgery after being out for 6 months and hit well against righties n lefties..the Cubs don't win if he isn't playing in the WS. Do you know what thread you are in? People are talking about trading Sale mostly for Schwarber who is a home run hitter who is coming off a massive knee injury who showed no ability to hit the long ball in the games he played.

Author:	America [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-sa ... up-a-stud/ Its impossible to know if GM's believe in this nonsense, but if they do just pull him back. The overvaluing of these guys who have done well/average in 300 PA is ridiculous.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Trading Sale
Boilermaker Rick wrote: 312player wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: 312player wrote: 5 home runs 10 RBI 1 SB 1.178 OPS ( Lil more than hit singles) I believe he was talking about 2016. You talking bout yourself in the third person? The guy came in cold from knee surgery after being out for 6 months and hit well against righties n lefties..the Cubs don't win if he isn't playing in the WS. Do you know what thread you are in? People are talking about trading Sale mostly for Schwarber who is a home run hitter who is coming off a massive knee injury who showed no ability to hit the long ball in the games he played. He wasn't supposed to be playing and he hit a couple of doubles off the wall. You don't really believe that knee injury cost him his power.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:04 pm ]
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Nas wrote: He wasn't supposed to be playing and he hit a couple of doubles off the wall. You don't really believe that knee injury cost him his power. You don't trade Chris Sale for him and cross your fingers.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:06 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: He wasn't supposed to be playing and he hit a couple of doubles off the wall. You don't really believe that knee injury cost him his power. You don't trade Chris Sale for him and cross your fingers. That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:13 pm ]
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Nas wrote: That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either. He may be healthy and not be a 35 a year home run hitter.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:15 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either. He may be healthy and not be a 35 a year home run hitter. Back injuries are an issue with power. His knee injury isn't a problem. Doctors understand this. His play in the WS tells you he isn't a Derrick Rose either.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:17 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: That's why you have doctors. You don't trade for Sale and cross your fingers either. He may be healthy and not be a 35 a year home run hitter. Back injuries are an issue with power. His knee injury isn't a problem. Doctors understand this. His play in the WS tells you he isn't a Derrick Rose either. I'm not sure what your point is. Is it that there should be no concerns that a home run hitter hit almost all singles in the only action he saw last year?

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:21 pm ]
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Okay

Author:	Brick [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:34 pm ]
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Nas wrote: :lol: Okay Don't get me wrong either. I would trade for Schwarber in the right package. It's just a tough chance to take that you are giving up one of the great pitchers of our generation for a guy with one season of results who clearly was either not 100% by the World Series or lacks the power he once displayed. Both of those options make it difficult to trust that you won't look stupid by giving up Sale for an average DH.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:37 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Nas wrote: :lol: Okay Don't get me wrong either. I would trade for Schwarber in the right package. It's just a tough chance to take that you are giving up one of the great pitchers of our generation for a guy with one season of results who clearly was either not 100% by the World Series or lacks the power he once displayed. Both of those options make it difficult to trust that you won't look stupid by giving up Sale for an average DH. I wouldn't trade Sale BUT if I were the Sox I would love to have a bat like that with some of the intangibles he appears to have. Trading Sale or trading for him is a huge gamble to make and I'm afraid that we won't like what the Sox get in return.