The whole situation sucks. I completely get and agree with the idea that Hahn and Kenny need to be gone today. But if you clean house now then who is going to be oversee the trade deadline stuff. You don't want Hahn doing it. But you won't be able to hire new guy yet. Is there someone in the organization that can be trusted to oversee the trades?

Jerry has given you one baseball season out of of 40+ with a playoff series win. I believe that is the worst in baseball over that stretch.

Kenny has given you one playoff game win over the last 16 years.

How can you say these guys are competent?

Also, this is about the White Sox. The Bulls are completely irrelevant to baseball. Please leave that aspect out of it.

I became a Sox fan in 1989 or 1990. The Sox were always in the mix during my childhood and up until like 2012. The past 10 years have been mostly brutal. That's on Hahn. Kenny delivered 2005 and I felt like he was trying to win every season. I have no idea what Hahn is doing.

The Dodgers have 1 championship in my life, and 0 since I've been a Sox fan.

I realize you are trying to be cute in not counting the Dodgers 2020 championship. The irony in that is that 2020 was one of the few times in the last 15 years that the Sox were enjoyable to watch.

That's why Hahn/Williams will be the ones making the trades. I don't think this is unique to the White Sox, it's just not standard to find the next GM in the middle of the season. I don't think I'd let Hahn trade Cease if he's being fired in 3 months, but if he's trading guys who are about to become free agents, they won't be able to get much help for most of what they trade, but will save some $$$ for the remaining part of the season.

I became a Sox fan in 1989 or 1990. The Sox were always in the mix during my childhood and up until like 2012.

Kenny delivered 2005 and I felt like he was trying to win every season.

I have no idea what Hahn is doing.

The Dodgers have 1 championship in my life, and 0 since I've been a Sox fan.

Clearly that is not what you want. But if you dont trade him then you are losing him and getting nothing in return. That does not seem wise either.

MLB Trade Rumors has him as the top trade candidate (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ ... ition.html) and I think a good market will develop for him.

Even if it doesn't, I think the QO/compensatory pick option is underrated. I'd rather have a pick around the 2nd or 3rd round than acquire a guy who projects to be Leury Garcia or Reynaldo Lopez.

They had one season in which they have won a playoff series from '89 to 2012.

Agree, but it still stands that since the '05 title Kenny had one playoff game victory on his resume.

He's listening to and obeying Kenny at least some of the time, that much is clear.

This is incorrect. The Dodgers have also won two pennants over the last 6 seasons. Three total World Series appearances with at least one ring should have been the bar set for success for this White Sox rebuild. Over the last ten years, the Dodgers have won more postseason series than the White Sox have in their entire existence. If you want to include Wild Card series/games in that, you only have to go back 4 years to find more success for the Dodgers than the White Sox.


I'm sorry you're willing to accept mediocrity ( "in the mix" ) and let executives coast on events from 20 and 30 years ago, most of which were in an entirely different sport.

Its funny how you're ready to cast aside Fields after a mere 25 starts, but you refuse to hold Jerry and Kenny accountable for decades of failures with the Chicago White Sox.

:lol: Fair enough. I'm not saying you have to run these guys over with your car, but I would hope you can say something like, "Well, Kenny sure hasn't been too good with the Sox over the last 10+ years."

Bring Paul Konerko as GM and Manager.

Kenny has a lifetime contract under Jerry.

They had one season in which they have won a playoff series from '89 to 2012.

Agree, but it still stands that since the '05 title Kenny had one playoff game victory on his resume.

He's listening to and obeying Kenny at least some of the time, that much is clear.

This is incorrect. The Dodgers have also won two pennants over the last 6 seasons. Three total World Series appearances with at least one ring should have been the bar set for success for this White Sox rebuild. Over the last ten years, the Dodgers have won more postseason series than the White Sox have in their entire existence. If you want to include Wild Card series/games in that, you only have to go back 4 years to find more success for the Dodgers than the White Sox.


I'm sorry you're willing to accept mediocrity ( "in the mix" ) and let executives coast on events from 20 and 30 years ago, most of which were in an entirely different sport.

Its funny how you're ready to cast aside Fields after a mere 25 starts, but you refuse to hold Jerry and Kenny accountable for decades of failures with the Chicago White Sox.

Name something, anything, about TOTAL baseball operations, that the White Sox don't suck at? 1) they didn't enforce their fan hating tailgating rules. 2) That's it, I got nothing else.

Playing surface seems to shed water adequately.

The promotions and giveaways are still pretty good. The $5 Tuesdays and Bleachers and Brews are good deals. They also do the Kid's Club and Fundamentals well. I'm quite surprised they haven't started charging for this yet.

... baseball isn't baseball anymore anyway. It's swingers, throwers, and glove wearers, lots of chickenshit managers in the dugout covering their asses. Bat flipping, stage plays after HRs, sign language on the bases after bloop hits, and 15-20 seconds between throws from the thrower won't save it.

The promotions and giveaways are still pretty good. The $5 Tuesdays and Bleachers and Brews are good deals. They also do the Kid's Club and Fundamentals well. I'm quite surprised they haven't started charging for this yet.

I wish I could argue with this. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree.

Are you happy with your Benetti bucket hat?

The fireworks on Fridays are great. The food is edible. Outside of the product on the field, the fan experience is solid.

Have they fired Hahn yet?

Nothing matters. Just move the team to some high growth city with no fresh water.

Put Sox fans out of our misery.

Prescient

Dark days ahead with a NPC GM. I hopefully can cut my heartstrings. The White Sox were really the only thread holding me on to Modern Day baseball(We literally have rules where a catcher's foot can be at home plate). Check that term Modern Day and make it Baseball For Dummies.

I have to take Jerry at his word that he has 10 years left and no hobbies. It's a sad reality.