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Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys.

Warren Newson wrote:

They got one legit prospect and a bunch of B/B+ level pitchers without trading everything that wasn't nailed down. I'll choose to be optimistic. In the AL Central, there's no need to do a second total rebuild in a decade. It doesn't take much to contend for a division title.

Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem.

You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching.

Warren Newson wrote:

Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys.

Hope is a terrible thing.

RFDC wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem.

You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching.

They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass.

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys.

Hope is a terrible thing.

What about faith?

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys.

Hope is a terrible thing.

What about faith?

RFDC wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem.

You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching.

They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass.

Nardi wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem.

You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching.

They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass.

Katz better be gone. I think a replacement level pitching coach can improve a pitcher slightly and at the very least not make them worse. Unless this team can figure out run prevention through pitching and most importantly through defense they are going to suck for a long time.

Hire the makers of Spider Tack

The Man wrote:

Nardi wrote:

RFDC wrote:

Warren Newson wrote:

Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem.

You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching.

They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass.

Yep. Launch Katz.

Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on.

badrogue17 wrote:

Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on.

But he SHOULD be an easy fix. Top 10% starter stuff doesn't need to waste pitches... More he struggles with command the farther his drift to 1st. Stop it.... Pitch inside. NEVER pitches inside to righties.

That's it. Fixed.

Nardi wrote:

badrogue17 wrote:

Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on.

I don't like your new avatar, fix it

Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on.

Four Roses is an old man whiskey. Nardi is showing his age.

Nas wrote:

Four Roses is an old man whiskey. Nardi is showing his age.

Four Roses is incredibly overrated....I'll drink it, but there are numerous better options.

Braves knocking him around pretty good.

ouch

IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA
3.2 8 9 9 3 2 3 87-52 4.36

cbs appears to like what the white sox did in this trade deadline, getting four of the top 15 prospects moved, including #1

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-ranking-15-best-prospects-traded-as-mets-cardinals-white-sox-boost-farm-systems/

Liam Hendricks just had TJ surgery.

That does not help the pitching situation moving forward.

Author:	This Ends in Antioch [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:51 pm ]
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Warren Newson wrote: Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys. Hope is a terrible thing.

Author:	Nardi [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:51 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: Warren Newson wrote: They got one legit prospect and a bunch of B/B+ level pitchers without trading everything that wasn't nailed down. I'll choose to be optimistic. In the AL Central, there's no need to do a second total rebuild in a decade. It doesn't take much to contend for a division title. Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem. You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching. They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:53 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys. Hope is a terrible thing. What about faith?

Author:	RFDC [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:55 pm ]
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Nardi wrote: RFDC wrote: Warren Newson wrote: They got one legit prospect and a bunch of B/B+ level pitchers without trading everything that wasn't nailed down. I'll choose to be optimistic. In the AL Central, there's no need to do a second total rebuild in a decade. It doesn't take much to contend for a division title. Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem. You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching. They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass. Right and it is going to be even worse next year. They at least had some established guys that could have had a good year this year. Next year unless lady luck shines on them like 3 times then it is going to be bad bad.

Author:	Nardi [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:56 pm ]
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Nas wrote: This Ends in Antioch wrote: Warren Newson wrote: Next year is a total wash. My hope is that, come 2025, they're in a position to make things interesting. To do that, however, they're going to have to go out and sign some guys. Hope is a terrible thing. What about faith? Faith is more tangible. Hope is blind faith.

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Author:	The Man [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:10 pm ]
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Nardi wrote: RFDC wrote: Warren Newson wrote: They got one legit prospect and a bunch of B/B+ level pitchers without trading everything that wasn't nailed down. I'll choose to be optimistic. In the AL Central, there's no need to do a second total rebuild in a decade. It doesn't take much to contend for a division title. Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem. You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching. They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass. Katz better be gone. I think a replacement level pitching coach can improve a pitcher slightly and at the very least not make them worse. Unless this team can figure out run prevention through pitching and most importantly through defense they are going to suck for a long time.

Author:	Nas [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:55 pm ]
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Hire the makers of Spider Tack

Author:	The Man [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:39 pm ]
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Nas wrote: Hire the makers of Spider Tack Not opposed. Think of all the pitchers they made better over the years and compare that to what the Sox have done lately. Couldn't be much worse.

Author:	Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries [ Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:06 pm ]
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This Ends in Antioch wrote: The Man wrote: Nardi wrote: RFDC wrote: Warren Newson wrote: They got one legit prospect and a bunch of B/B+ level pitchers without trading everything that wasn't nailed down. I'll choose to be optimistic. In the AL Central, there's no need to do a second total rebuild in a decade. It doesn't take much to contend for a division title. Optimistic I can understand. But they have no pitching. That is a major problem. You aren't winning a bad division with no pitching. They didn't have pitching THIS year. One starter and two relievers. The rest had their heads up their ass. Katz better be gone. I think a replacement level pitching coach can improve a pitcher slightly and at the very least not make them worse. Unless this team can figure out run prevention through pitching and most importantly through defense they are going to suck for a long time. Yep. Launch Katz. Definitely. I've been saying this for the last two years.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:19 am ]
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Now we need Cease to really go on a run these next two months. Obviously they were shopping him. I don't interpret it that the market wasn't good. I think Hahn was looking for the #1 prospect in baseball. I'd be a little pissed if I were an Orioles fan. They have been patient. The minor leagues are stocked, even if they gave up a top player. Cease isn't a rental and cost effective to go get additions in FA for next season. It was time to go for it. I've always been an O's guy and I don't think they helped themselves for the playoffs

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:08 am ]
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Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on.

Author:	Nardi [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:13 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on. But he SHOULD be an easy fix. Top 10% starter stuff doesn't need to waste pitches... More he struggles with command the farther his drift to 1st. Stop it.... Pitch inside. NEVER pitches inside to righties. That's it. Fixed.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:13 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on. All you need is one GM to be wowed and think they can fix a guy like this, and you can get a King's ransom.... 4-8, 4.49 ERA at the time of the trade If it can happen to Saint Theo, it can happen to any MLB GM

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:17 am ]
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Nardi wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on. But he SHOULD be an easy fix. Top 10% starter stuff doesn't need to waste pitches... More he struggles with command the farther his drift to 1st. Stop it.... Pitch inside. NEVER pitches inside to righties. That's it. Fixed. I don't like your new avatar, fix it

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Author:	Nardi [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:52 am ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Nardi wrote: badrogue17 wrote: Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on. But he SHOULD be an easy fix. Top 10% starter stuff doesn't need to waste pitches... More he struggles with command the farther his drift to 1st. Stop it.... Pitch inside. NEVER pitches inside to righties. That's it. Fixed. I don't like your new avatar, fix it I will. Hard to beat the old one though.

Author:	Nas [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:55 am ]
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Four Roses is an old man whiskey. Nardi is showing his age.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:10 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote: Or maybe they just werent wowed by his 4 wins , 4 plus ERA and 5 innings per start they could count on. Maybe, but then they acquired a guy with worse numbers as their signature move for this year's playoff run. So, maybe not.

Author:	BigW72 [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:51 am ]
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Nas wrote: Four Roses is an old man whiskey. Nardi is showing his age. Four Roses is incredibly overrated....I'll drink it, but there are numerous better options.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:00 pm ]
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BigW72 wrote: Nas wrote: Four Roses is an old man whiskey. Nardi is showing his age. Four Roses is incredibly overrated....I'll drink it, but there are numerous better options. Its fine if you're mixing it.

Author:	Bagels [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:16 pm ]
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Giolitio just coughed up a 3 run HR to Acuna

Author:	Bagels [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:37 pm ]
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Braves knocking him around pretty good. ouch IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA 3.2 8 9 9 3 2 3 87-52 4.36

Author:	Warren Newson [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:58 pm ]
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Bagels wrote: Braves knocking him around pretty good. ouch IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA 3.2 8 9 9 3 2 3 87-52 4.36 His first start was not exactly great either.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:00 pm ]
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This is what Giolito does. He goes out there and has good stuff, then next time out he gets shelled. He's like Javy Vazquez with less strikeouts.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:41 pm ]
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cbs appears to like what the white sox did in this trade deadline, getting four of the top 15 prospects moved, including #1 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-ranking-15-best-prospects-traded-as-mets-cardinals-white-sox-boost-farm-systems/

Author:	Warren Newson [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:46 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: cbs appears to like what the white sox did in this trade deadline, getting four of the top 15 prospects moved, including #1 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-ranking-15-best-prospects-traded-as-mets-cardinals-white-sox-boost-farm-systems/ MLB Pipeline has Acuna comfortably in front of Quero. CBS was also pretty negative on Gilbert.

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 5:50 pm ]
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Liam Hendricks just had TJ surgery. That does not help the pitching situation moving forward.

Author:	Cashman [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:07 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: Liam Hendricks just had TJ surgery. That does not help the pitching situation moving forward. Well, he had a $15M option. So, the Sox either pick it up next year and pay it out in 1 year, or pick it up over a period of time. Not sure if it is paid over 10 or 15yrs.

Author:	Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries [ Wed Aug 02, 2023 6:22 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: cbs appears to like what the white sox did in this trade deadline, getting four of the top 15 prospects moved, including #1 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-trade-deadline-ranking-15-best-prospects-traded-as-mets-cardinals-white-sox-boost-farm-systems/ A bunch of pitchers with injury histories and a second baseman who can't field. Let the half-assed rebuild begin! I'd love to be wrong about this.