Yeah, LaRussa will get down with the fundamentals and "fix" everything. Jesus Christ this isn't little league
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Looking ahead to 2021 (Official Off-Season Thread) |
No way Cleveland is better than us. This projection is flawed for some reason. Perhaps too many young guys without enough sample size. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:23 am ] |
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Abreu will likely "regress" into the normal Abreu type season where he has some really good numbers, but also gets ice cold with the bat for a couple weeks at a time. We'll likely see something in the middle with Robert. He won't be as good as he was for the first month of 2020, and he won't be as bad as he was during the final month. I think like Abreu, we'll see him go white hot and then ice cold. If he can hit .260, get on base at a .300 clip, and figure out where the wall is when he jumps, he will be fine. With his power he should cruise past 20 HRs. Like last season, the Sox success will depend on the starting pitching. There will be rough games offensively for sure, but overall this team is going to score runs again. Its time for Cease to take a big step up. I don't need him to be an ace, but he needs to be a reliable #3, bordering on a #2 guy in the rotation. Win 10 games and go 180 innings. I know starting pitching is different nowadays, but I don't think that is asking too much. Maybe LaRussa will actually make guys work on some basic fundamentals of the game like catching the ball (Grandal) and running the bases (Madrigal). For all the talk of him not being able to relate to the young guys, LaRussa would likely blow a gasket-- with good reason-- if Madrigal runs the bases like he did at time last year. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:24 am ] |
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Pitching staff and no faith in young hitters seems like the larger concern for the projections. For shits and giggles, the Cubs are projected for an 85-77 season. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:27 am ] |
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Yeah, LaRussa will get down with the fundamentals and "fix" everything. Jesus Christ this isn't little league
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:32 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Pitching staff and no faith in young hitters seems like the larger concern for the projections. For shits and giggles, the Cubs are projected for an 85-77 season. No fucking way. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:35 am ] |
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There are still guys out there that can be had for depth. So I hope they go after a guy like Odorizzi. As for this projection, it's laughable. Somehow they are worse than last year because... Abreu regression or something? They played .583 ball last year without Lynn, and with Cease as a rookie. Vegas has them a favorite for the American League Pennant. I trust them over Pecota. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:41 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: Yeah, LaRussa will get down with the fundamentals and "fix" everything. Jesus Christ this isn't little league I didn't say "fix" I said work on, you fucking dumbshit.
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:44 am ] |
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pittmike wrote: No way Cleveland is better than us. This projection is flawed for some reason. Perhaps too many young guys without enough sample size. They find pitching behind the bushes around the stadium. It perpetually pisses me off. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:48 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Nardi wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: PECOTA projections have the Sox at 83-79 this year, good for 3rd place behind Minnesota and Cleveland. Not a lot of faith in Moncada or Robert. Moncada Projection: .243/.334/.426 Robert Projection: .234/.298/.427 If those guys hit, should be easy to beat projection by at least 5 games. It seems like if Moncada is healthy, he hits. If he has ouchies, he doesn't. Let's strategize to keep him healthy. Me, I worry about the starting pitching. If we only win 83 games, it's going to be because of that. I'm still angry about giving up Dunning. Other pitchers of Lynn's caliber were moved for much less. I think we'll see regression from Abreu. Especially with a longer regular season. If Robert is the Robert from the first month things will be fine. If he's the Robert from the last month we're probably in trouble. On the pitching side, concern is Gioloto and Keuchel come back to Earth a little and age catches up with Lynn. Will Hendriks be the same guy he was the last 2 years? Or will he fall apart like the last closer we got from Oakland? I'd say Giolito is still ascending and I honestly expect this to be a big year for him. I wish these projections came out earlier and the Sox organization read them because they seemed to think they had finished their job after getting Hendriks. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:51 am ] |
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I hope so, and it's part of the reason I hope they extend him. Losing McCann is gonna hurt a bit though. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:53 am ] |
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When will fans be allowed at Cubs/Sox games? Honestly, there is no reason other than playing political games to have zero fans in attendance on day 1. Easily 6-8K can be spaced out at Wrigley, and 10-12K at The Rate. 20% capacity for both ballparks would be somewhere around 7500 fans. I'll be optimistic and say around Memorial Day, but with JB and Lightfoot, I'm not sure I would be surprised if there were no fans again all season. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:55 am ] |
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I think there will be 25% capacity at the start of the season. Masks required and I'd imagine no vendors roaming the aisles. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:57 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: I think there will be 25% capacity at the start of the season. Masks required and I'd imagine no vendors roaming the aisles.
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:58 am ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: When will fans be allowed at Cubs/Sox games? Honestly, there is no reason other than playing political games to have zero fans in attendance on day 1. Easily 6-8K can be spaced out at Wrigley, and 10-12K at The Rate. 20% capacity for both ballparks would be somewhere around 7500 fans. I'll be optimistic and say around Memorial Day, but with JB and Lightfoot, I'm not sure I would be surprised if there were no fans again all season. Have a couple thousand in close quarters protesting outside. "We Want In". |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:59 am ] |
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Lori LikeTwat doesn't even know High School basketball can be played, I'm sure she will be right on the plans to approved 15K fans in the seats. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:01 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: I think there will be 25% capacity at the start of the season. It seems insane to be saying this nearly a year into this thing, but I think that would be a huge win for fans if that were the case. I hate the masks, especially outside, but I would wear one (for the time being) to go to a ballgame.
Masks required and I'd imagine no vendors roaming the aisles. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:10 am ] |
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Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team with a chin diaper on. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:14 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team Cubs fans. And 84 wins would be a "good" team comparatively speaking.
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:17 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team with a chin diaper on. Count me in. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:17 am ] |
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Hawg Ass wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team with a chin diaper on. Count me in. Me too. I'm insane. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:18 am ] |
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PECOTA (REALLY SMART PEOPLE) peg around 84 wins for both sides of town. But to be honest, I might throw this on just to see the Sux finish 3rd in the AL Central! 
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:19 am ] |
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Nardi wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team with a chin diaper on. Count me in. Me too. I'm insane. WHITE SOX GAME MEETUP! |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:20 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: Nardi wrote: Hawg Ass wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Forgot the cost of the ticket, who in their right mind would treck out to a game, pay $12 for a beer to watch a 84 win team with a chin diaper on. Count me in. Me too. I'm insane. WHITE SOX GAME MEETUP! 
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:20 am ] |
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Caller Bob wrote: PECOTA (REALLY SMART PEOPLE) peg around 84 wins for both sides of town. But to be honest, I might throw this on just to see the Sux finish 3rd in the AL Central! Bob, you simply have to do better than Elmhurst Steve insults. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:21 am ] |
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The other Elmhurst Steve insults got me in naughty timeout. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:35 am ] |
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I'm certainly not going out of my way to go to a game until the weather is nice. |
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| Author: | BigW72 [ Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:47 am ] |
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Terry's Peeps wrote: I think there will be 25% capacity at the start of the season. Masks required and I'd imagine no vendors roaming the aisles. Agreed. I can see this is how the season starts. I'm all in for attending baseball games this season, but will hold off while there's a mask mandate. I'm not wearing a mask to sit outside and watch baseball....ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:42 am ] |
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Fangraphs projections out today. Much more favorable. 88-74. 60% chance to make the playoffs. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:51 am ] |
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Pecota regularly misanalyzes the White Sox by a margin outside acceptable divergence rates |
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| Author: | KDdidit [ Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:12 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Pecota regularly misanalyzes the White Sox by a margin outside acceptable divergence rates Yes, last year they had the Sox winning 83 games and they only won 35. Pathetic. |
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