This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Apparently he gets the credit for Sal Perez
It’s like when anybody leaves the Chiefs, they take credit for Mahomes.
Maybe it’s a KC thing.
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifo |
This Ends in Antioch wrote: Nardi wrote: Apparently he gets the credit for Sal Perez It’s like when anybody leaves the Chiefs, they take credit for Mahomes. Maybe it’s a KC thing.
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| Author: | Juiced [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifo |
Caller Bob wrote:  Cheap Jerry strikes again.
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Another Cubs fan logging in solely to post about the White Sox 
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| Author: | Juiced [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Another Cubs fan logging in solely to post about the White Sox |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Another Cubs fan logging in solely to post about the White Sox It's Chicago SPORTS news you simpleton. Of course I am going to comment on this hiring. 
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Nas wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Nas wrote: This doesn't look good. Its a cheap, Jerry hire most likely.But this guy does embrace analytics and has baseball ops experience. I think both of those are pluses. Would you have rather had Skip Schumaker? I was fine with Espada or Ozzie. Missouri was the last place I thought we would import a manager from. It takes months to remove that smell. This in no way fulfills what Hahn said he was looking for, experience in a winning organization Wow. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Juiced wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Another Cubs fan logging in solely to post about the White Sox It's Chicago SPORTS news you simpleton. Off course I am going to comment on this hiring. "Off" course you are because you're a jackass Cubs fan who wants to take any shots he can at the White Sox. RFDC wrote: This in no way fulfills what Hahn said he was looking for, experience in a winning organization Grifol has been with the Royals for ten years, so he was there when they played in back to back World Series not that long ago.If the Sox win the pennant in 2023, win the World Series in 2024, then miss the playoffs 7 years in a row, I'd be OK with that. |
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| Author: | veganfan21 [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
At least when the Bears pretend to care about importing winning cultures they hire some assistant strength and training coordinator from a 11-5 team to be the GM (Emery). That's like a nuanced way they can mask them not knowing what they're doing. The Sox are like screw it, we're going with a guy from a team that hasn't made the playoffs in six years. I think I appreciate the Sox's honesty. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
RFDC wrote: Nas wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Nas wrote: This doesn't look good. Its a cheap, Jerry hire most likely.But this guy does embrace analytics and has baseball ops experience. I think both of those are pluses. Would you have rather had Skip Schumaker? I was fine with Espada or Ozzie. Missouri was the last place I thought we would import a manager from. It takes months to remove that smell. This in no way fulfills what Hahn said he was looking for, experience in a winning organization Wow. Agreed. You have to fire Hahn with this guy if it doesn't work out. |
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| Author: | Caller Bob [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
conns7901 wrote: Next time we all here a certain poster crying about Cubs fans posting in the Sox section.
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Grifol has been with the Royals for ten years, so he was there when they played in back to back World Series not that long ago.
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: RFDC wrote: This in no way fulfills what Hahn said he was looking for, experience in a winning organization Grifol has been with the Royals for ten years, so he was there when they played in back to back World Series not that long ago.If the Sox win the pennant in 2023, win the World Series in 2024, then miss the playoffs 7 years in a row, I'd be OK with that. Good effort, Frank. But dude was "catching coach" then. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Not sure why you're laughing at something that is true. I'm not defending this move, praising it, or bashing it. We'll see what happens. Its an outsider, which is something the Sox haven't done with their manager since Jerry Manuel over 20 years ago. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Not sure why you're laughing at something that is true. I'm not defending this move, praising it, or bashing it. We'll see what happens. Its an outsider, which is something the Sox haven't done with their manager since Jerry Manuel over 20 years ago. I'm bashing it ONLY because of what Hahn claimed to have wanted and what on the surface looks to either be a diversity hire or some kind of weird Cuban teaching Cubans dynamic. Believe me, I intend to give this guy 100x the chance that I gave LaRussa. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Not sure why you're laughing at something that is true. I'm not defending this move, praising it, or bashing it. We'll see what happens. Its an outsider, which is something the Sox haven't done with their manager since Jerry Manuel over 20 years ago. You know exactly why I am laughing. Hahn was clear. He wanted recent experience with a successful organization. The Royals do not check that box. Go back as far as you want and twist it any way you can, but they do not. When Hahn laid out his desire for this hire no one would have thought of this dude or the Royals. The guy from the Astros, sure. This guy. No. Now of course it may work out great. They may win multiple rings with him. But this in no way fulfills what Hahn stated was his desire. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
I don't trust a fucking word Hahn says any longer. Hahn's desire is to accept and paycheck and operate within the confines of what JERRY lays out. He does not have a desire to put a winning team on the field. If he did, he would have made a managerial change last season and if he was told no, he would have walked away. I'm not going to blame a guy for sticking with a posh job that he might have for life, but IDGAF about what he says to the media because IMO none of is honest. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I don't trust a fucking word Hahn says any longer. Hahn's desire is to accept and paycheck and operate within the confines of what JERRY lays out. He does not have a desire to put a winning team on the field. If he did, he would have made a managerial change last season and if he was told no, he would have walked away. I'm not going to blame a guy for sticking with a posh job that he might have for life, but IDGAF about what he says to the media because IMO none of is honest. I'm not giving Hahn the Jerry crutch. That's what he wants. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: I don't trust a fucking word Hahn says any longer. Hahn's desire is to accept and paycheck and operate within the confines of what JERRY lays out. He does not have a desire to put a winning team on the field. If he did, he would have made a managerial change last season and if he was told no, he would have walked away. I'm not going to blame a guy for sticking with a posh job that he might have for life, but IDGAF about what he says to the media because IMO none of is honest. What you say is true but it hurts him in the long run, whether it's here or elsewhere. He's at this point, a laughingstock, and I don't respect him anymore, even if this KC Royals fella is the greatest thing since condoms. He's not a GM. He's Assistant GM. Simple as that. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
It's not a crutch Nas, its the truth. Its very clear JERRY and/or Kenny lays out how the Sox are to operate and what their payroll can be. I don't think who the GM is matters, they have to operate within those constructs. Rather than walk away and try to be a GM his way, Hahn stays here and accepts a pretty secure job yet has limits on how he can spend and who he can hire. That seems to be just how it is at this point. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: It's not a crutch Nas, its the truth. Its very clear JERRY and/or Kenny lays out how the Sox are to operate and what their payroll can be. I don't think who the GM is matters, they have to operate within those constructs. Rather than walk away and try to be a GM his way, Hahn stays here and accepts a pretty secure job yet has limits on how he can spend and who he can hire. That seems to be just how it is at this point. Every team lays out its budget. Hahn has constructed shit rosters and signed shit free agents. Not making the call on TLR doesn't absolve him of his shittiness or his clear attempts to sabotage TLR. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
If you think Hahn would have rather Leury Garcia, Gavin Sheets, or Nomar Mazar in RF over Bryce Harper, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Nas wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: It's not a crutch Nas, its the truth. Its very clear JERRY and/or Kenny lays out how the Sox are to operate and what their payroll can be. I don't think who the GM is matters, they have to operate within those constructs. Rather than walk away and try to be a GM his way, Hahn stays here and accepts a pretty secure job yet has limits on how he can spend and who he can hire. That seems to be just how it is at this point. Every team lays out its budget. Hahn has constructed shit rosters and signed shit free agents. Not making the call on TLR doesn't absolve him of his shittiness or his clear attempts to sabotage TLR. Oh, for fucksake. TLR didn't answer to Hahn from the very beginning. Tell your story walkin'. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Nardi wrote: Nas wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: It's not a crutch Nas, its the truth. Its very clear JERRY and/or Kenny lays out how the Sox are to operate and what their payroll can be. I don't think who the GM is matters, they have to operate within those constructs. Rather than walk away and try to be a GM his way, Hahn stays here and accepts a pretty secure job yet has limits on how he can spend and who he can hire. That seems to be just how it is at this point. Every team lays out its budget. Hahn has constructed shit rosters and signed shit free agents. Not making the call on TLR doesn't absolve him of his shittiness or his clear attempts to sabotage TLR. Oh, for fucksake. TLR didn't answer to Hahn from the very beginning. Tell your story walkin'. Hahn constructed the roster. |
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| Author: | This Ends in Antioch [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
What is it that Hahn actually does? |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Nas wrote: Hahn constructed the roster. Again, within the confines laid out for him.Sox weren't going to spend on Bryce Harper. So we get fed Mazar and Garcia in RF. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: If you think Hahn would have rather Leury Garcia, Gavin Sheets, or Nomar Mazar in RF over Bryce Harper, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. Every GM would love to have the payroll of the Dodgers. Hahn has brought in a lot of guys that suck. That's on him. It's extremely lazy to blame Uncle Jerry and his balck son for everything that goes wrong and credit Hahn for everything that goes well. |
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| Author: | Nas [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Frank Coztansa wrote: Nas wrote: Hahn constructed the roster. Again, within the confines laid out for him.Sox weren't going to spend on Bryce Harper. So we get fed Mazar and Garcia in RF. That's true for every team. Harper was overpaid. None of us thought that was a great signing. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Its not a great signing, but he's playing in the World Series right now and the Sox were .500 this season. I'm not absolving Hahn of anything. But if you think he is a legit GM doing things his way and isn't some mouthpiece for the Sox, you are sorely mistaken. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Nas wrote: Frank Coztansa wrote: Nas wrote: Hahn constructed the roster. Again, within the confines laid out for him.Sox weren't going to spend on Bryce Harper. So we get fed Mazar and Garcia in RF. That's true for every team. Harper was overpaid. None of us thought that was a great signing. What about the balck son mush mouthing about the Machado fiasco. Unlike Harper, we were all in on that one. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 01, 2022 12:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Fire Pedro Grifol |
Now, I'm going to pretend to know much about Pedro Grifol and make statements |
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