Well if Tim Anderson has a couple of Troutesque seasons, I'll eat Crow.
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| Author: | America [ Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm ] |
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Probably the rest of the season. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 29, 2018 6:00 pm ] |
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Anderson has had a great road trip. In the 30gsmes before that, he hit .230 with a .291 OB%. I don't want him to fail because he plays for my favorite baseball team, but it's very clear that defensively he is terrible and he doesn't hit consistently enough to be an everyday SS on a championship team. |
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| Author: | America [ Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm ] |
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Its dumb to negatively or positively isolate statistics. He's had a good offensive season, I can make Mike Trout look bad if you let me pick and choose when to look at his track record. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 29, 2018 6:10 pm ] |
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| Well if Tim Anderson has a couple of Troutesque seasons, I'll eat Crow.
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Tue May 29, 2018 7:12 pm ] |
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America wrote: Its dumb to negatively or positively isolate statistics. He's had a good offensive season, I can make Mike Trout look bad if you let me pick and choose when to look at his track record. Other than walking and hitting home runs more than previously for him there is no stat that shows having a good season offensively. A .300 obp is not remotely good. He has many great tools, but he does nothing consistently well. He’s a guy who kills you whole you wait for him to put it together. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Tue May 29, 2018 7:18 pm ] |
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Anderson has been doing well recently. Hopefully he figured it out offensively, but he does need to move somewhere else on defense. |
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| Author: | whiskey dick [ Tue May 29, 2018 8:49 pm ] |
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His walk rate is 300% higher than it was last season. That is an absurd leap. His batting average on balls in play is .264, but with his speed, it should be in the .330 to .350 range. That’s why his OBP is only .307 when it should be north of .350. And shockingly enough, he’s holding his own in defensive metrics because of his range. He judges the ball off the bat quite well. He botches a good amount of routine plays, but what are gonna do. I got used to telling everyone that he sucks, but he’s starting to baffle me a bit. I did not have him as a core member of the team entering this season. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:04 pm ] |
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whiskey dick wrote: His walk rate is 300% higher than it was last season. That is an absurd leap. His batting average on balls in play is .264, but with his speed, it should be in the .330 to .350 range. That’s why his OBP is only .307 when it should be north of .350. And shockingly enough, he’s holding his own in defensive metrics because of his range. He judges the ball off the bat quite well. He botches a good amount of routine plays, but what are gonna do. I got used to telling everyone that he sucks, but he’s starting to baffle me a bit. I did not have him as a core member of the team entering this season. He’s absolutely horrendous defensively. If there are metrics out there saying he isn’t they don’t match in game performance and can’t be trusted. |
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| Author: | America [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:10 pm ] |
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It's true that your perception of him is punished by his range. Not saying he's any good defensively, but he's better than you'd think. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:14 pm ] |
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FavreFan wrote: He’s absolutely horrendous defensively. If there are metrics out there saying he isn’t they don’t match in game performance and can’t be trusted. He has a higher dWAR than Baez. |
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| Author: | whiskey dick [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:20 pm ] |
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Too many shit throws, even with the nice range. He’s definitely a second baseman. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:32 pm ] |
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America wrote: It's true that your perception of him is punished by his range. Not saying he's any good defensively, but he's better than you'd think. Better than I think is still awful and he’s awful. Don’t care to argue the degree in which he’s awful. He’s just not a shortstop. Let’s not waste any more years after this trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue May 29, 2018 9:48 pm ] |
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Rodon threw another good game tonight. He might actually make his next start with the big club. Shocking |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed May 30, 2018 7:57 am ] |
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Keyser Soze wrote: Rodon threw another good game tonight. He might actually make his next start with the big club. Shocking Right on schedule. They said about June 1 nine months ago |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 30, 2018 8:14 am ] |
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I’m absolutely stunned he didn’t have any setbacks. Maybe this was the wake up call he needed. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:12 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Rodon threw another good game tonight. He might actually make his next start with the big club. Shocking Right on schedule. They said about June 1 nine months ago I thought they said April originally and then pushed it back |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:16 am ] |
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no he had surgery last year, knew it was gonna be a while. maybe start throwing in April. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Wed May 30, 2018 10:43 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Keyser Soze wrote: Rodon threw another good game tonight. He might actually make his next start with the big club. Shocking Right on schedule. They said about June 1 nine months ago Just another in the long list of White Sox items that Keyser has been wrong about. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 30, 2018 11:02 am ] |
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I'd post the things you were wrong about but no one cares. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Wed May 30, 2018 12:02 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: no he had surgery last year, knew it was gonna be a while. maybe start throwing in April. I blame Keyser for misleading me |
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| Author: | MartyD47 [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:12 pm ] |
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whiskey dick wrote: His walk rate is 300% higher than it was last season. That is an absurd leap. His batting average on balls in play is .264, but with his speed, it should be in the .330 to .350 range. That’s why his OBP is only .307 when it should be north of .350. And shockingly enough, he’s holding his own in defensive metrics because of his range. He judges the ball off the bat quite well. He botches a good amount of routine plays, but what are gonna do. I got used to telling everyone that he sucks, but he’s starting to baffle me a bit. I did not have him as a core member of the team entering this season. Best take on Anderson's season so far I've read. I think a better defensive first baseman would help him out a lot. |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm ] |
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MartyD47 wrote: whiskey dick wrote: His walk rate is 300% higher than it was last season. That is an absurd leap. His batting average on balls in play is .264, but with his speed, it should be in the .330 to .350 range. That’s why his OBP is only .307 when it should be north of .350. And shockingly enough, he’s holding his own in defensive metrics because of his range. He judges the ball off the bat quite well. He botches a good amount of routine plays, but what are gonna do. I got used to telling everyone that he sucks, but he’s starting to baffle me a bit. I did not have him as a core member of the team entering this season. Best take on Anderson's season so far I've read. I think a better defensive first baseman would help him out a lot. He's tracking to have around a 3.4 WAR season which is more than respectable, though certainly not superstar caliber. I'd prefer to have a superior defense-no offense guy at short like Nick Ahmed over a guy who is primarily an offensive player with shaky defense, but with the way the game is played now, maybe an Ozzie Smith type isn't as valuable as it once was. So many outs are strikeouts and very few players try to hit the ball on the ground. Perhaps defense in the middle infield isn't quite as important as it traditionally has been. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:32 pm ] |
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might as well let the season play out and see what the numbers are. however they taught him and Davidson how to take a walk is pretty amazing. always thought that was pretty much impossible to change. you can never figure out baseball. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm ] |
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Our hitting instructors come from Oakland. They have ball/strike drills and have had success. That being said, I'm as shocked as anybody about Anderson. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:42 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: might as well let the season play out and see what the numbers are. however they taught him and Davidson how to take a walk is pretty amazing. always thought that was pretty much impossible to change. you can never figure out baseball. No reason to not let him play out this season, but I don't necessarily trust things like range factor. He makes a ton of stupid mistakes, and he doesn't get on base that often. I don't care what his BABip "should be". |
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| Author: | Joe Orr Road Rod [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:43 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: however they taught him and Davidson how to take a walk is pretty amazing. In Davidson's case I think it's just pitchers trying to avoid his prodigious power. It's not like if you lose him you have to face some giant bat in the White Sox order. You can afford to work around him. Anderson's increase in walks is much more impressive. I have no concerns about his offense. He'll be a strong offensive shortstop if he can play the position. That's a big if. I've never seen a shitty middle infielder drastically improve defensively. |
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| Author: | Nardi [ Wed May 30, 2018 1:51 pm ] |
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He's in the positive in dWAR. He's still a couple years away in development for that position. I think you have to cut him some slack because he didn't play organized baseball until junior year in HS. The brain farts and shitting the bed on routine plays will minimize with experience. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed May 30, 2018 2:01 pm ] |
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Davidson has cut down on his swings outside the zone from 33% to 23% which is tremendous. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 30, 2018 2:07 pm ] |
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Feet are the most important tool a SS has and Timmy has great feet. Maybe the best feet in the league (though that Lindor fella is pretty good) and you can't teach feet. Feet leads to the hands, hands lead to the arm. 1.Feet 2. hands 3. arm. Hands and arm don't do any good if the feet can't get in position to field the ball. Timmy is getting better everyday and he will continue to get better. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Wed May 30, 2018 2:15 pm ] |
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Exhibt A Yoan Moncada: bad feet |
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