When Buehrle stepped on the mound, I thought he would win every game. I do not feel that with any White Sox pitcher right now. Cease has the potential.

Tad bit of revisionist history and "feelings" about Mark Buehrle's career.

He didn't have Javier Vasquez's stuff when he was on, but he was consistently reliable. He was a gamer.

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He had extended periods of time when he was reliable. Mark Buehrle had a 4.99 ERA at age 27.

The point is, just be careful about throwing a pitcher, not a thrower, possibly a workhorse, on the scrap heap who has been in the 3.5 ERA, 1.1 WHIP area for 3 years. He's not an ace, but he can be for extended periods of time during the season. It's provable.

You have to win one game to get into the playoffs. Im
Giving the ball to #56 over Lucas 100% of the time

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So I guess that's that. Get rid of him while you can and let it all come out in the wash in 10 years.

Is this the board stance? Buehrle was never bad? Probably the same people who wanted to run him outta town in 2006.

Let's run Giolito out of town. It's OBVIOUS he's weak. He's had 3 bad starts. That would never happen to HOF Buehrles. He gets guys out drunk, for chrissake.

Buehrle was an all star that season. Buehrle had won a world series and had proven to be an ace before he had a subpar season. You're hoping that Giolito can figure it out based on his stuff. There isn't a lot about his makeup that makes me believe that he can. If some team wants to overpay the Sox for him, I will help pack his bags.

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Giolito has always been a little soft in the head. Only going to get worse with the pitch clock next season. Get what you can for him and move on. Cheap ass Jerry doesn't sign very many pitchers to long term contracts anyway.

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If they try to replace Giolito's production, they're either going to have to pay through the nose (which we all know they won't do) or go down the long and arduous path of developing another good starting pitcher. Is he an imposing or intimidating ace? No. Is he a tremendous value? Absolutely.

I'm not necessarily saying you resign him when he's a free agent, but this team has a lot of problems, and he isn't really one of them.

It isn't about stuff. It's about command. It has nothing to do with "makeup". It's about throwing it where the mitt is. It's got nothing to do with growing up in Beverly Hills. You guys don't think he's an ace, I agree. Where I disagree is he can be an ace for periods of time, as both his and Buehrle's ERA shows. Even now, Giolito is sitting at a 3.88 ERA. That's Mark Buehrle. Like, to a tee. Buehrle, had a 4.11 post season ERA. He mowed down the Angels, but that's it. Unspectacular against Boston and Houston. This selective memory is a bit much here.

Remind us of spectacular Giolito was in the ALDS last year.

Giolito reminds me a lot of Javier Vasquez. Great stuff lots of strikeouts, but wilts pretty quickly when the spotlight gets bright

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Buehrle. That tough fucker. That ace. Never blew a lead because he hunts and wears camouflage. Has a motorcycle. He never went to St Mary's of the Safe Spaces. No sir.

Playoff Mark Buehrle 4.11 was good enough. Giolito 3.97 is good enough.

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And he will leave when free agency comes.

The Sox should not let it get that far with him. Trade him now while he has max value.

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Sorry I missed where you explain how well Giolito did in the playoffs last season

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He was one of many who did not do well. All soft in the head I guess.

I asked about one guy, not MANY.

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He sucked, Brick Costanza. Get rid of him.

What he did against Oakland the postseason before means nothing, only what he did against Houston last postseason.

Trade him for a nice player and he will win a World Series for the team to whom he is traded, just like Sale.

I'm frustrated that he has seemed to give back leads all season.

I'd still sign him long term if he were open to it. We haven't even discussed that in the three year period you reference, he has also been durable. He also was great in his 2020 playoff appearance.

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Yes, he was great pitching in an empty stadium.

When the lights get bright, he seems to not perform well. And while I know even the best pitchers aren't going to have their A stuff for all thirty starts, if you want to be a true ace you find a way to win the game when you're given a five run lead in your home ballpark against a 26-31 team.

I would love to see 2019 Lucas on the mound again where seemingly the opposition has little to no chance at getting two or more runs. That doesn't seem to happen as consistently anymore.

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I don't know if it's old age or something else, but it's laughable to praise the durability of a guy who has never pitched 180 innings in his career. You even have to put an asterisk next to the ERA of these guys when comparing them to their predecessors because they rarely go through a lineup 3 times.

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He's possibly durable. Comparably, in this present terrible iteration of baseball, he is. Your point on ERA is a fair point. First I've seen in this thread.

Tell me again how great Giolito is.

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So you want to trade him for prospects to win in 2027? That the plan now?

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

You are the absolute best at replying to sentences that are not actually posted.

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Frank, it's called drawing conclusions. Such as knowing you are a fat moron from your posts.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

We still using this thread to comp Lucas to Mark Buerhle?

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Useless.

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Sale is in different class than good ole Lucas.

Yeah...Sale was a #1 on a World Series team. Lucas is a #3 on a World Series team.

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