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Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:30 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Of course he isn't. I'm not sure you understood the point. When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand? Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position: 2014: 1st 2015: 6th 2016: 9th There are 30 teams in MLB. Reading is fundamental FF. Go back to the earlier page when I said since 2014 You're still wrong. And stop calling people idiots. You misspell about a dozen words a day and make the worst arguments of any poster here. Nope, still average. From 2015-2016, amoung 18 qualifying 1st baseman in MLB, he rank's 10th http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &players=0 You want to ignore defense, ok, during that time frame he ranks 9 out of 18 in wCR+ http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=17,d 9th out of 18, wOBA http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=16,d 9 out of 18 OBP 8 out of 18 SLG http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=15,d Once again, there are 30 MLB teams. But yes, I agree he's a top 10 1B and was last year.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:31 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Yeah, because those two statements are synonymous. You think that there were no Cubs fans who blindly thought Mark Grace was better because of the uniform he wore? How many? 50 out of 10 million? I'm sure there are also Sox fans who thought Steve Sax was better than Ryne Sandberg.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:31 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: MLB only has 18 1B? A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes? "When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense." There are more than 18 1B positions.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:32 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Once again, there are 30 MLB teams. But yes, I agree he's a top 10 1B and was last year. He was no where close to top 10 in 2016, even if you want to ignore defense. He was in 2015. My numbers are a balance of 2015 and 2016.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:33 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: MLB only has 18 1B? A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes? "When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense." There are more than 18 1B positions. I really shouldn't have to explain qualified plate appearances by this point.

Author:	Cashman [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:34 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: MLB only has 18 1B? A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes? "When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense." There are more than 18 1B positions. I really shouldn't have to explain qualified plate appearances by this point. I think we should have a dance off with the two of you.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:35 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: MLB only has 18 1B? A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes? "When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense." There are more than 18 1B positions. I really shouldn't have to explain qualified plate appearances by this point. Explain position then. Unless of course there are 12 MLB teams that someone didn't bat their 1B enough.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:35 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up.

Author:	denisdman [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:38 pm ]
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Cashman, at this point, Caller Bob is going to need a Diggstown style "dance" to take on all comers. Drunk bar asshole: "I once saw this guy guy take on 10 posters in one thread and vanquish them all." A different drunk bar asshole: "No man can vanquish 10 posters in one thread."

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:39 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Caller Bob wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: MLB only has 18 1B? A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes? "When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense." There are more than 18 1B positions. I really shouldn't have to explain qualified plate appearances by this point. Explain position then. Unless of course there are 12 MLB teams that someone didn't bat their 1B enough. Qualified PA appearances balance out the statistical noise when analyzing large data sets, especially multiple seasons. By using qualified PA appearances for his entire career, yes, Abrue is still a top 10 1B from 2014-2016. That's not what I said. I said he was middle of the road, 2014-2015 which sorry, is statistical fact. If he can rebound and put up a season in 2017 like 2014 the White Sox are set at 1st base. If his career is going to trek more towards 15-16, then the Sox will need to upgrade first base.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:39 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:40 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:42 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: Qualified PA appearances balance out the statistical noise when analyzing large data sets, especially multiple seasons. By using qualified PA appearances for his entire career, yes, Abrue is still a top 10 1B from 2014-2016. That's not what I said. I said he was middle of the road in 2014 and 2015, which sorry, is statistical fact. If he can rebound and put up a season in 2017 like 2014 the White Sox are set at 1st base. If his career is going to trek more towards 15-16, then the Sox will need to upgrade first base. If you were ranking the teams from 1 through 30 based on their best 1B would the Sox be top ten?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:43 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day. It's hilarious that you think you have some insightful analysis. All you're doing is reading lists of metrics. It takes no thought to "discuss" baseball the way you do. You just pick your favorite stat and use it as a be all end all to a conversation.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:43 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day. Who is Sox fan? New poster?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:45 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day. It's hilarious that you think you have some insightful analysis. All you're doing is reading lists of metrics. It takes no thought to "discuss" baseball the way you do. You just pick your favorite stat and use it as a be all end all to a conversation. Ironic, coming from the clown that used one stat, OPS, for your entire argument this thread. I even met you half way and ignored defense and still backed up my claim.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:47 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day. It's hilarious that you think you have some insightful analysis. All you're doing is reading lists of metrics. It takes no thought to "discuss" baseball the way you do. You just pick your favorite stat and use it as a be all end all to a conversation. Ironic, coming from the clown that used one stat, OPS, for your entire argument this thread. I even met you half way and ignored defense and still backed up my claim. You didn't back up your claim. There are 30 MLB teams, not 18. You posted stats showing he's been a top 10 1B since his rookie season. I agree.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run!

Author:	denisdman [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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I hope the Sox games gets played for my listening entertainment. Frickin Rozner in this afternoon with Bernstein. His columns have been insufferable.

Author:	denisdman [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! It's a disturbance in the force.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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Don't forget Kris Bryant can play first. That makes Abreu at leadt number 11.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:50 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:50 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: You didn't back up your claim. There are 30 MLB teams, not 18. You posted stats showing he's been a top 10 1B since his rookie season. I agree. Yeah, but you are counting the bad 1B he is better than instead of only counting the good 1B he is better than.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:54 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly. IMU is a Sox fan? This about bad baseball thoughts vs good ones. I'm not surprised which side you and Kirkwood chose.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:55 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly. IMU is a Sox fan? This about bad baseball thoughts vs good ones. I'm not surprised which side you and Kirkwood chose. Can we work out a trade? Cubs get: 312 Player Sox get: IMU

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:56 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: IMU wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star. By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree? You are wrong. By a lot. Give this one up. Oh, shut the fuck up and go on ranting about Kris Bryant being exposed based on 1 game. On their worst day, Sox fan's baseball thoughts are still better than yours, on your best day. Who is Sox fan? New poster?

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:56 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly. IMU is a Sox fan? This about bad baseball thoughts vs good ones. I'm not surprised which side you and Kirkwood chose. Can we work out a trade? Cubs get: 312 Player Sox get: IMU I'm almost positive 312 is a Cubs fan and routinely makes fun of the Sox. I'd be willing to trade half of Nas's fandom for IMU's.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:58 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly. IMU is a Sox fan? This about bad baseball thoughts vs good ones. I'm not surprised which side you and Kirkwood chose. Can we work out a trade? Cubs get: 312 Player Sox get: IMU I'm almost positive 312 is a Cubs fan and routinely makes fun of the Sox. I'd be willing to trade half of Nas's fandom for IMU's. You have to take Elmhurst Steve back in that deal then.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:00 pm ]
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Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: Caller Bob wrote: FavreFan wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Wow! Caller Bob has the subdivision on the run! I wish they'd throw in the towel. This is getting ugly. IMU is a Sox fan? This about bad baseball thoughts vs good ones. I'm not surprised which side you and Kirkwood chose. Can we work out a trade? Cubs get: 312 Player Sox get: IMU I'm almost positive 312 is a Cubs fan and routinely makes fun of the Sox. I'd be willing to trade half of Nas's fandom for IMU's. You have to take Elmhurst Steve back in that deal then. Zero chance. Elmhurst Steve's contract makes him untraceable unless you're also giving up Dr Ken, Peoria Matt, and Hockey Gay.

Author:	Hockey Gay [ Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:09 pm ]
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No way I'm giving up 312. Even if you hate his baseball thoughts he is still a good Cubs fan. We will give Steve up for Frank. All other deals are OFF.

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