They are not even in the same conversation offensively.

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The over riding reason, IMO, Grandal was obtained was walks. I think McCann still catches 40% of the time, saving wear and tear on Grandal and freeing him up to DH 2-3 times a week.

Interesting discussion today on the Laurence Holmes show about how to spread out DH/1B at bats between Abreu, Vaughn, and the worst defensive outfielder we’ve ever seen - Eloy Jimenez.

And now we’ll have Grandal eating into that.

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Eloys defensive metrics are not too bad actually.

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Because they don't know how to calculate the injuries he inflicts on the other outfielders yet.

I'm totally speculating here, but I can see Grandal getting 2 of the top 3 starters, McCann getting the third in between them, and them splitting the rest based on the opposing starter, day game after night game, etc.

There are 650 starts between C/1B/LF/DH for 4.5 guys (Grandal, McCann, Abreu, Jimenez, Vaughn), assuming Vaughn starts the year at AA, rakes between Birmingham and Charlotte and hits the big league roster at the All Star Break. That's 144 games each, and 74 for Vaughn. And that's assuming no injuries and that they don't trade McCann away in July if they're not in contention.

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let's not get too in front of ourselves with Vaughn talk

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I agree. He was good but not outstanding at High A.

Coming up at the ASB is the best case scenario, and there will still be plenty of AB for both Grandal and McCann in that scenario. After 2020, maybe they part ways with McCann.

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I was also mildly concerned about Vaughn's numbers on both levels of A ball. However, I heard they use the MLB ball at AAA, but don't use it at the lower levels, and my perusal of the minor league levels of the White Sox system throughout last season seems to lend credence to what I've heard. It's amazing how many guys at Charlotte had an OPS over .800 last year as compared to guys at AA.

I believe that Birmingham is considered a pitcher's park, so that could also account for some difference.

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Did anyone catch his interview with Parkins and Mac? His answer to 'Why did you choose the Sox?" was pretty funny or scary depending on your view. LOL

It's at 1:50

https://670thescore.radio.com/media/aud ... -white-sox

It was kinda weird. Not sure to take it as, they offered me the most money, or I am excited by the core.

The player gives his team a list of teams that he will accept a trade to.

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I'm more worried about him getting hurt out there.

I can’t see any possible way that Eloy improves his defense. He is what he is - a big oaf. I’ll bet that he’s tripped walking up stairs MANY times.

I hope I’m wrong, but I think his future is at DH.

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I think most people have come to that conclusion.

He’ll be fine

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Not Rick Hahn.

exactly. People have an exaggerated opinion of the value of corner of d, especially lf. LF is a small step above 1b on the hierarchy and I think you can make a case that it is even less important that 1b.

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I make that case constantly....For instance, a really good 1st baseman will save you more runs than a really good LFer

That’s true, but it would be nice to have someone who is merely below average, and not dreadful. I don’t know if they can give Vaughn a tryout in left. I know he’s not much of an athlete.

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Seems like you have four projected long term DHs: Vaughn, Eloy, Abreu, and Collins. Plus Grandal when he is not catching.

Collins has to be shipped out at some point. There is no room.

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Vaughn may be the guy traded as well. Eloy will remain in LF.

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I think the projections on Vaughn are much too optimistic. He won't be here until next year. When he is, he is a 1B and Abreu becomes a DH. At that time, Mc Cann is gone and Collins moves in to backup catcher.

Eloy is on the cusp of stardom. He will be hitting 40 bombs a year and playing the defensive position he chooses. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

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I pay almost no attention to half year guys playing after a full college season. I expect Vaughn to be great. The Sox just won't move him that quickly. He likely starts in AA. I think he gets half a season there, then half a season in AAA followed by a month at AAA in 2021.

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I am not sure how quickly Vaughn will be up, but I am pretty sure Hahn came out and said he will follow Madrigal's route.

McCann is better than a back-up catcher. He is a top tier major league catcher, as is Grandal and therefore they should make him part of a trade where he can be valuable as an asset. I think that the Yankees might well be interested in him since they lost out on Grandal and Sanchez is a butcher as a catcher. The Yanks have a lot of good young pitching prospects in their system and a couple of interesting young outfielders also.

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Vaughn is likely a year and a half away before he is ready. He is also likely to be a replacement for Abreu at 1B who will move to pretty much a full time DH when Vaughn is ready. I do agree that Jimenez is likely to end up DHing for the lions share of his career.

I begin to wonder what may happen to Madrigal. If Mendick proves himself as a major league 2n baseman, what about trying Madrigal in CF with Robert moving over to right field down the road? Madrigal has wheels and may have a good enough arm to manage to be okay in CF or at least left?

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With the big iron on his hip

I agree entirely. Especially now with all of the shifts occurring in MLB, range factor for 1bs is more important than ever as is the importance of a 1b able to dig out or field more bad throws from the infielders because of the different places they are supposed to defend. The days of the big stiff at 1st base is going away. The 1b has to be a decent athlete now.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

As far as I am concerned, I'd pretty much ignore any stats of a high draft pick position player in his first taste of pro ball whatsoever. His head is muddled first of all with all of the money he's getting and what to do with it. Everything is world's different for him even baseball wise because he is now a pro and isn't much better right away than the others he is on the team with which is different from when he was a amateur and the STUD of the team. All of these high priced rookies are resented as a rule because of the favorable treatment that they are receiving, the money they are making, etc. They may become home-sick to boot and suddenly are going to become targets by women, people who want to cash in with them and other bullshit.

It is just the way it is.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip