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There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?

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Why don't the Cubs put Baez at first? :lol:

It's pretty unfair how much people built up Caller Bob and set him up to fail.

My only mistake was trying to have a "baseball" discussion with White Sox fans only to realize what an incredibly low IQ this fan base has. I might as well explain this to a Labrador retriever, but here it goes, you fucking retards. A statement was made, that Hahn couldn't build around the core of players Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Rodon/Abreu. It was correctly pointed out, that Rodon, (who to this point has only given you "average" production as a starter) shouldn't be in that group of star players. I furthered the point, that after his great 2014, Abreu had failed to match that 5 fWAR season, which is the definition of an "star player". In 2016, had Rodon continued to ascend to a 4+ fWAR pitcher and Abreu matched his 2014 production. that's seven more wins and you are contending for the 2nd wildcard. Abreu isn't any worse of a defender now than he was two years ago, but to make up for that defense and be a 5 win player, he needs to hit in the top 3 at his position. So again, I hope this can provide clarity as to why Hahn didn't win with that "core".

Go back to your coloring books, PRICK.

You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I agree it matters very little.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I agree it matters very little.

Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?


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I'll take Jose Abreu as my 1B and be happy. He's not the problem with the team. He's a decent 1B with a fair contract.

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Caller Bob wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I agree it matters very little.

Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?


Don't worry about it, Bob. We already won the Rizzo vs ABREOOO argument. We can at least let them say ABREOOO is "good."

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I remember Cubs fans saying Grace was better because of his superior defensive skills.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I remember Cubs fans saying Grace was better because of his superior defensive skills.


No you don't.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I remember Cubs fans saying Grace was better because of his superior defensive skills.

Yup. MANY Cub fans still believe this.

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Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.

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You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star.



By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree?


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leashyourkids wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I remember Cubs fans saying Grace was better because of his superior defensive skills.


No you don't.


Right. There are no stupid Cubs fans.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
There is no serious baseball discussion that cares about 1B defense.


That's very un-Boilermaker Rickish. If it matters at all, isn't it worth discussing?
It matters so little it is a way to try and twist yourself into knots in order to try and consider yourself right. That was all Caller Bob did.

I know this is kind of crazy but I'll take Frank Thomas as a 1B and be very happy.


I remember Cubs fans saying Grace was better because of his superior defensive skills.


No you don't.


Right. There are no stupid Cubs fans.


Yeah, because those two statements are synonymous.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star.



By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree?

Yes. He will be a top 10 1B this year and be underpaid again for his services.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?


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There are people that say Heyward's contract is worth it because of defensive skills. Oh and his base running, which really never comes into play.

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FavreFan wrote:
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You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star.



By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree?

Yes. He will be a top 10 1B this year and be underpaid again for his services.

Let's hope so, he sure wasn't a top 10 first baseman last year.


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Caller Bob wrote:
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Caller Bob wrote:
Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?

Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position:

2014: 1st
2015: 6th
2016: 9th

There are 30 teams in MLB.

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Caller Bob wrote:
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You seem to be changing the conversation now. Your original statement that Abreu has been mediocre since his rookie season is not true. Now you seem to be arguing that he's not a star player, as if there is no level between mediocre and star.



By mediocre, I meant average. Middle of the road..do you disagree?

Yes. He will be a top 10 1B this year and be underpaid again for his services.

Let's hope so, he sure wasn't a top 10 first baseman last year.

He was at hitting. I don't really value 1B defense as much as you seem to.

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Yeah, because those two statements are synonymous.


You think that there were no Cubs fans who blindly thought Mark Grace was better because of the uniform he wore?

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When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?
Did you see the stats on his hitting that were posted?

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FavreFan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
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Caller Bob wrote:
Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?

Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position:

2014: 1st
2015: 6th
2016: 9th

There are 30 teams in MLB.


He was also pretty banged up last year, and played through it. For his contract that's some pretty good production.

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FavreFan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?

Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position:

2014: 1st
2015: 6th
2016: 9th

There are 30 teams in MLB.


Reading is fundamental FF. Go back to the earlier page when I said since 2014


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Caller Bob wrote:
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Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?

Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position:

2014: 1st
2015: 6th
2016: 9th

There are 30 teams in MLB.


Reading is fundamental FF. Go back to the earlier page when I said since 2014

You're still wrong. :lol:

And stop calling people idiots. You misspell about a dozen words a day and make the worst arguments of any poster here.

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FavreFan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Does someone want to explain to PRICK that Abrue is not nearly as good, offensively, as Frank Thomas?
Of course he isn't.

I'm not sure you understood the point.


When you are one of the greatest hitters, ever, you can be a black hole on defense and still be great. When you are a middle of the road hitter, adjusted for your position, you can't be a black hole on defense. Do you understand?

Middle of the road hitter at his position? Here are his ranks in OPS at his position:

2014: 1st
2015: 6th
2016: 9th

There are 30 teams in MLB.


Reading is fundamental FF. Go back to the earlier page when I said since 2014

You're still wrong. :lol:

And stop calling people idiots. You misspell about a dozen words a day and make the worst arguments of any poster here.


Nope, still average.
From 2015-2016, amoung 18 qualifying 1st baseman in MLB, he rank's 10th
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &players=0

You want to ignore defense, ok, during that time frame he ranks 9 out of 18 in wCR+
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=17,d

9th out of 18, wOBA
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=16,d

9 out of 18 OBP

8 out of 18 SLG
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=15,d


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Caller Bob is an emerging force- the vulgarity of an over served Scooter, the stamina of a vested LTG, and the trolling arsenal of good dolphin.

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MLB only has 18 1B? :lol:

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MLB only has 18 1B? :lol:


A guy with a fancy pants Purdue degree doesn't understand sample sizes?


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