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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:14 pm 
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Avi will never have the career Heyward has had. Avi will never sniff that salary or the total performance.

Salary, no. Performance? Last year, Avi was close to Heyward's career averages. He also had over 100 less plate appearances than Heyward last year. They're not quite as far apart with the bat as you think. Heyward is a better glove.

Again, such a sage baseball mind should know this.

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Alright guys lets be reasonable. I think Avi is gonna have a career year at the plate and I'd like to keep him around, but RF defense isn't insignificant. Heyward is the better player and will continue to be. He just won't be as good a hitter.

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I agree. IMU climbs out onto a 6' limb and says Heyward will have a better career, and Abreu won't hit 35 home runs every year. Sage mind.

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...RF defense isn't insignificant.


There are a lot of metrics that say it is though. I believe right fielders handle about 1.5 "balls in zone" per game. Out of those 1.5 opportunites how much better is the best guy from the worst? Even if we say that a guy like Heyward is so premium that he gets to some balls out of his zone, I really don't think it's as significant as you suggest.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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...RF defense isn't insignificant.


There are a lot of metrics that say it is though. I believe right fielders handle about 1.5 "balls in zone" per game. Out of those 1.5 opportunites how much better is the best guy from the worst? Even if we say that a guy like Heyward is so premium that he gets to some balls out of his zone, I really don't think it's as significant as you suggest.

In any one game it may be insignificant. Over the course of the season the value Heyward proves in the field would become apparent. Avi's still pretty bad out there and Heyward is awesome. It's a huge disparity. Avi would have to be significantly better at the plate to make up for it.

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FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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...RF defense isn't insignificant.


There are a lot of metrics that say it is though. I believe right fielders handle about 1.5 "balls in zone" per game. Out of those 1.5 opportunites how much better is the best guy from the worst? Even if we say that a guy like Heyward is so premium that he gets to some balls out of his zone, I really don't think it's as significant as you suggest.

In any one game it may be insignificant. Over the course of the season the value Heyward proves in the field would become apparent. Avi's still pretty bad out there and Heyward is awesome. It's a huge disparity. Avi would have to be significantly better at the plate to make up for it.


There may be a huge disparity in ability but there's a lot to suggest there isn't a huge disparity in results. But the value of defense on the outfield corners has been debated for awhile now. There are all kinds of opinions and every opinion has stats to support it.

Here's a conversation I had the other day. Would you rather play with 9 Starlin Castros or 9 Kevin Kiermaiers? I'm going with the Castros.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
...RF defense isn't insignificant.


There are a lot of metrics that say it is though. I believe right fielders handle about 1.5 "balls in zone" per game. Out of those 1.5 opportunites how much better is the best guy from the worst? Even if we say that a guy like Heyward is so premium that he gets to some balls out of his zone, I really don't think it's as significant as you suggest.

In any one game it may be insignificant. Over the course of the season the value Heyward proves in the field would become apparent. Avi's still pretty bad out there and Heyward is awesome. It's a huge disparity. Avi would have to be significantly better at the plate to make up for it.


There may be a huge disparity in ability but there's a lot to suggest there isn't a huge disparity in results. But the value of defense on the outfield corners has been debated for awhile now. There are all kinds of opinions and every opinion has stats to support it.

Here's a conversation I had the other day. Would you rather play with 9 Starlin Castros or 9 Kevin Kiermaiers? I'm going with the Castros.

Oh that's easy. Give me the Kiermaiers. Castro isn't that much better offensively.

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Alright guys lets be reasonable. I think Avi is gonna have a career year at the plate and I'd like to keep him around, but RF defense isn't insignificant. Heyward is the better player and will continue to be. He just won't be as good a hitter.

I was joking. Maybe I was not clear. The Caller Bob reference was key.

(About defense being unimportant. I also think career vs career, Heyward is the better offensive player as well)

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IMU wrote:
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Alright guys lets be reasonable. I think Avi is gonna have a career year at the plate and I'd like to keep him around, but RF defense isn't insignificant. Heyward is the better player and will continue to be. He just won't be as good a hitter.

I was joking. Maybe I was not clear. The Caller Bob reference was key.

(About defense being unimportant. I also think career vs career, Heyward is the better offensive player as well)

I was talking to jorr and Frank in that post.

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It's cute when the Subdivision tries to talk advanced metrics :lol:


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It's cute when the Subdivision tries to talk advanced metrics :lol:

We're not talking advanced metrics dumbass :lol:

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IMU wrote:
I also think career vs career, Heyward is the better offensive player as well



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Caller Bob wrote:
It's cute when the Subdivision tries to talk advanced metrics :lol:


This thread is about speaking magic Spanish, not metrics.

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Caller Bob wrote:
It's cute when the Subdivision tries to talk advanced metrics :lol:


This thread is about speaking magic Spanish, not metrics.

dolphin, did you notice Henry Blanco has taken over Bullpen coaching duties this week for the Cub?

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