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 Post subject: There is no argument
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Frank Thomas was a better hitter than Albert Pujols.

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Albert is a juicer, so I'll agree...but numbers wise, Pujols will bust all his accomplishments.

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Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so.

Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't.


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Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside.

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Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so.

Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't.



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Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so.

Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't.



Agreed.


He was on drugs.

But he was a great hitter.

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Frank's slugging percentage was termed "Ruthian"....and then the juicers came and made it look like nothing.

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These are fun arguments to have but I think if Frank Thomas was offered the chance to jump in the delorean and head back to the mid 90s, he would pop so many steroids it would make Bonds blush.

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Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside.


Manny....

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why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.


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why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.


Not to mention SEC football in the 80's.

But fuck all that. Let them juice.

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Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside.


Manny....

Miguel Cabrera

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why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.
There is as much of a chance of him using as Greg Maddux. You can't prove a negative but you can still have tiers and Frank clearly makes the lowest tier of players who may or may not have used.

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why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.
There is as much of a chance of him using as Greg Maddux. You can't prove a negative but you can still have tiers and Frank clearly makes the lowest tier of players who may or may not have used.


He wanted players to not take the test to force drug testing

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Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators?

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Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators?

He was bitching about steroids before anybody cared.


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Beardown wrote:
Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so.

Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't.


Miguel Cabrera?

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My first blush says Pujols. But I just looked up their numbers to remind myself how great Frank was. I can't believe his career OBP is well above .400. Just wow.

Looks like Albert's WAR is quite a bit higher.

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Frank was awesome. Screw Pujols.


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Frank was better than Cabrera too. He dominated even when his opponents were juicing. He just didn't get pissed and pull a Barry Bonds.

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Pujols was way better.

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Pujols was way better.


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Pujols was way better.


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Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators?

He was bitching about steroids before anybody cared.

Frank was against steroid use while still at Auburn.

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why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.

Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox.

If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here.

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billypootons wrote:
why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.

Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox.

If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here.
We just view him like Greg Maddux. For the record, I consider it unlikely that Greg Maddux was on something too!

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billypootons wrote:
why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.

Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox.

If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here.

Not even close. Frank has been outspoken against steroids his entire career, even before the strike. You could look it up. He came up pretty damn huge, and he seems to have been against steroid usage while still at Auburn.

This isn't a debate; it's not controversial whatsoever. He may have other weaknesses, but steroid usage is not one of them.

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McGuire, AROD, Sammy, Manny, Albert all on drugs. Nothing proven on Albert. But Jack Clark called him out. He had the info on it. Albert never sued him. So that means guilt.

Frank was outspoken before there was testing. He wanted testing. None of the above guys called for that.

So he's the best right handed hitter of the last 40 years. Case closed.


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billypootons wrote:
why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days.

Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox.

If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here.

Not even close. Frank has been outspoken against steroids his entire career, even before the strike. You could look it up. He came up pretty damn huge, and he seems to have been against steroid usage while still at Auburn.

This isn't a debate; it's not controversial whatsoever. He may have other weaknesses, but steroid usage is not one of them.

Everyone that big with those numbers in that era is under suspicion. Not to mention playing football at Roid U. So yes it is still a debate.

Again if he played for the Indians the thoughts would be different.

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