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| Author: | Nas [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | There is no argument |
Frank Thomas was a better hitter than Albert Pujols. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Albert is a juicer, so I'll agree...but numbers wise, Pujols will bust all his accomplishments. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so. Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't. |
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| Author: | Chus [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Beardown wrote: Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so. Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't. Agreed. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Beardown wrote: Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so. Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't. Agreed. He was on drugs. But he was a great hitter. |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Sun Jun 04, 2017 9:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Frank's slugging percentage was termed "Ruthian"....and then the juicers came and made it look like nothing. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
These are fun arguments to have but I think if Frank Thomas was offered the chance to jump in the delorean and head back to the mid 90s, he would pop so many steroids it would make Bonds blush. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Chus wrote: Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside. Manny.... |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:37 am ] |
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billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. Not to mention SEC football in the 80's. But fuck all that. Let them juice. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
sjboyd0137 wrote: Chus wrote: Alex Rodriguez has to be in the discussion for best right handed hitter of the last thirty years, juicing aside. Manny.... Miguel Cabrera |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. There is as much of a chance of him using as Greg Maddux. You can't prove a negative but you can still have tiers and Frank clearly makes the lowest tier of players who may or may not have used.
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. There is as much of a chance of him using as Greg Maddux. You can't prove a negative but you can still have tiers and Frank clearly makes the lowest tier of players who may or may not have used.He wanted players to not take the test to force drug testing |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators? |
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| Author: | America [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:51 am ] |
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators? He was bitching about steroids before anybody cared. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Beardown wrote: Agreed. Frank Thomas is the best right handed, non juicer, of the modern era. So in the last 30 years or so. Cuz Albert and Manny were on drugs. Frank wasn't. Miguel Cabrera? |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:18 pm ] |
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My first blush says Pujols. But I just looked up their numbers to remind myself how great Frank was. I can't believe his career OBP is well above .400. Just wow. Looks like Albert's WAR is quite a bit higher. |
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| Author: | Peoria Matt [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:29 pm ] |
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Frank was awesome. Screw Pujols. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:32 pm ] |
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Sini has me on ignore
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| Author: | Nas [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Frank was better than Cabrera too. He dominated even when his opponents were juicing. He just didn't get pissed and pull a Barry Bonds. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
Pujols was way better. |
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| Author: | WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:51 pm ] |
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leashyourkids wrote: Pujols was way better. Official spokesman for pedophiles and juicers. |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Pujols was way better. Official spokesman for pedophiles and juicers. 
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
America wrote: WaitingforRuffcorn wrote: Wasn't Frank the only active player to willingly speak to Mitchell Report investigators? He was bitching about steroids before anybody cared. Frank was against steroid use while still at Auburn. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox. If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
RFDC wrote: billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox. If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here. |
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| Author: | formerlyknownas [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
RFDC wrote: billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox. If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here. Not even close. Frank has been outspoken against steroids his entire career, even before the strike. You could look it up. He came up pretty damn huge, and he seems to have been against steroid usage while still at Auburn. This isn't a debate; it's not controversial whatsoever. He may have other weaknesses, but steroid usage is not one of them. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
McGuire, AROD, Sammy, Manny, Albert all on drugs. Nothing proven on Albert. But Jack Clark called him out. He had the info on it. Albert never sued him. So that means guilt. Frank was outspoken before there was testing. He wanted testing. None of the above guys called for that. So he's the best right handed hitter of the last 40 years. Case closed. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: There is no argument |
formerlyknownas wrote: RFDC wrote: billypootons wrote: why is frank 100% innocent? I get he is a big dude but he easily could have been a cheater just like a lot of his co-workers were during his playing days. Because he the favorite player of so many guys who love the White Sox. If Frank had the same career for the Indians he would be considered way more suspect by many here. Not even close. Frank has been outspoken against steroids his entire career, even before the strike. You could look it up. He came up pretty damn huge, and he seems to have been against steroid usage while still at Auburn. This isn't a debate; it's not controversial whatsoever. He may have other weaknesses, but steroid usage is not one of them. Everyone that big with those numbers in that era is under suspicion. Not to mention playing football at Roid U. So yes it is still a debate. Again if he played for the Indians the thoughts would be different. |
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