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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:43 am 
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I never threatened to fight anyone.
I stated that I would kick his ass. That is not a fight.
Why? Are you going to insult my wife or family?
I hope not. I always expected better from you, Rick.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:45 am 
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2014 Cubs system was "stronger" than the current White Sox system. Not trying to argue...just saying.

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Kris Bryant (ROTY, MVP, 2x AS, WS champ)
Addison Russell (AS. WS champ)
Albert Almora (.747 OPS CF with amazing defense, WS champ)
Jorge Soler (Maybe the greatest AAAA player ever, but WS champ...still very young. 1.000+ OPS in AAA this season in ~40 games)
CJ Edwards (future closer, WS champ)
Kyle Schwarber (major bust)
Billy McKinney (.887 OPS in AAA this season, should be a decent starter or really good 4th outfielder)
Pierce Johnson (doesn't look good so far)
Dan Vogelbach (.860 OPS in AAA this season)
Victor Caratini (He'd be a starter on 15 teams in the league right now...)
Jeimer Candelario (He should be finding himself starting on an MLB team next week)
Eloy Jimenez (Vlad Guerrero)
Jen-Ho Tseng (10-3 with a 2.71 ERA between AA and AAA this season. Amazing secondaries)
Gleyber Torres (Manny Machado)
Christian Villanueva (.938 OPS in AAA this season)
Paul Blackburn (3.00 ERA over 100 innings between AAA and MLB this season)
and some other guys that don't matter.

White Sox system is strong, no doubt, but Eloy and Torres weren't even Top 10 prospects on that 2014 list.


Facts are facts.

The only reason you can make your statement without debate is because the Sox are all potential right now. However, the objective fact is that no team has ever had 10 prospects in the top 70.

I don't say that because I have hope that any of them will be better than the guys we traded. I say that because people who are paid to judge have made their decisions on the subject

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I never threatened to fight anyone.
I stated that I would kick his ass. That is not a fight.
Why? Are you going to insult my wife or family?
I hope not. I always expected better from you, Rick.

I'll fight you if you want.

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Good post, GD. You are 100% correct.

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You also could argue that Russell was barely in the Cubs minor league system.


Interesting...where is your cut-off?

Russell played 61 games in the Cubs minor league system and was in the system for 289 days. Moncada played 80 and was in the system for 225 days.

If this is the angle you are going on, the White Sox farm system is still the single worst farm system in the league.

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I'll bet a $50 IHOP gift card on Rick.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
SteveSarley wrote:
I never threatened to fight anyone.
I stated that I would kick his ass. That is not a fight.
Why? Are you going to insult my wife or family?
I hope not. I always expected better from you, Rick.

I'll fight you if you want.

The only thing I want less than a fight is another White Sox World Series,

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IMU wrote:
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You also could argue that Russell was barely in the Cubs minor league system.


Interesting...where is your cut-off?

Russell played 61 games in the Cubs minor league system and was in the system for 289 days. Moncada played 80 and was in the system for 225 days.

If this is the angle you are going on, the White Sox farm system is still the single worst farm system in the league.

Cut off at at 62 games

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Please link me to the analysts stating the current White Sox farm system is stronger than the farm system the Cubs had in 2014?

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I'll bet a $50 IHOP gift card on Rick.

Flapjacks giving up an IHOP gift card!
I am totally speechless!
That's like me giving up a good muskie fishing spot!

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IMU wrote:
Please link me to the analysts stating the current White Sox farm system is stronger than the farm system the Cubs had in 2014?
Since rankings began, no team has ever had ten guys in the top seventy. That is a fact.

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SteveSarley wrote:
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Some will succeed, and some will fail. Its NOT ok if Moncada fails. I do believe Rick was being facetious.

It's not okay?
If he fails, then how does that affect you?
If he fails, what are you going to do about it?
Boycott the team? Hang Hahn in effigy? Make another 57,000 meaningless posts here? Live your life just to troll Cub threads?
For Pete's sake, it's merely baseball. Go have a little breakfast and relax!
I think you can stop with the meaningless posts thing when I can't even remember a post you made in the past year that wasn't attacking Frank.

I love that little Batman and Robin thing that you and your little Flapjacks boy have got going.
Does he really need you to constantly come to his aid and defense?
Subtract Frankie's intelligent posts where he calls people "Fucking idiot" or "Fucking imbecile" and you have
a list smaller than a short stack at IHOP.


someone needs to bust this one out:

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Facts are facts.

The only reason you can make your statement without debate is because the Sox are all potential right now. However, the objective fact is that no team has ever had 10 prospects in the top 70.

I don't say that because I have hope that any of them will be better than the guys we traded. I say that because people who are paid to judge have made their decisions on the subject


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article62201902.html

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Revisiting the 2011 list of best-ever farm systems

Here is the list of best farm systems, as rated by Baseball America, from our 2011 baseball section, which I updated to reflect playoff success. I also left the original notes on some of the teams.

1. 2011 Royals (574 points)

Significant names: Eric Hosmer (8), Mike Moustakas (9), Wil Myers (10), John Lamb (18), Mike Montgomery (19), Christian Colon (51), Danny Duffy (68), Jake Odorizzi (69), Chris Dwyer (83).

2. 2006 Diamondbacks (541 points)

Significant names: Justin Upton (2), Stephen Drew (5), Conor Jackson (17), Carlos Quentin (20), Chris Young (23), Carlos Gonzalez (32).

Playoff success: Lost 2007 NLCS, lost 2011 NLDS.


Royals worked out. Good sign.


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It makes sense that they would be able to accumulate this type of list. I can't come up with a team trading away a Sale, Eaton and Quintana in the span of 8 months. Any of the other prospect teams you are comparing would have accumulated them over a number of years trades and draft picks. As new talent comes up, other players graduate. They weren't table to flip the switch into a fire sale like this.

The sad part for the org is of their top 10 prospects, only #9 and #10 were drafted by the Sox, and that was from last years draft. This is with having picks 17, 3, 8, 10, 26, and 11 over the past 5 drafts. They did convert pick 17 into Anderson and pick 3 into Rodon, but I'm not sure you would declare either of them successful yet.

Now that the trade spigot has largely run dry, they will have to develop drafted talent to maintain it.


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Good post, GD. You are 100% correct.


Thanks. I now see your point on Rick and Frank.

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IMU wrote:
Please link me to the analysts stating the current White Sox farm system is stronger than the farm system the Cubs had in 2014?


No one but you has undertaken the mundane task.

You are one of those people that is highly reliant on the views of "independent" minor league analysts. Do you doubt them now?

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TurdFerguson wrote:
It makes sense that they would be able to accumulate this type of list. I can't come up with a team trading away a Sale, Eaton and Quintana in the span of 8 months. Any of the other prospect teams you are comparing would have accumulated them over a number of years trades and draft picks. As new talent comes up, other players graduate. They weren't table to flip the switch into a fire sale like this.

The sad part for the org is of their top 10 prospects, only #9 and #10 were drafted by the Sox, and that was from last years draft. This is with having picks 17, 3, 8, 10, 26, and 11 over the past 5 drafts. They did convert pick 17 into Anderson and pick 3 into Rodon, but I'm not sure you would declare either of them successful yet.

Now that the trade spigot has largely run dry, they will have to develop drafted talent to maintain it.

does it matter if they draft or trade for prospects? if it works out, does it matter? trading for young players certainly helped the cubs build this team

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:59 am 
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IMU wrote:
Please link me to the analysts stating the current White Sox farm system is stronger than the farm system the Cubs had in 2014?


Oh, I forgot. Please link me to the analysts stating the 2014 Cubs had a better farm system than the current White Sox. That analysis better have been performed within the last 15 hours or it is stale.

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It makes sense that they would be able to accumulate this type of list. I can't come up with a team trading away a Sale, Eaton and Quintana in the span of 8 months. Any of the other prospect teams you are comparing would have accumulated them over a number of years trades and draft picks. As new talent comes up, other players graduate. They weren't table to flip the switch into a fire sale like this.

The sad part for the org is of their top 10 prospects, only #9 and #10 were drafted by the Sox, and that was from last years draft. This is with having picks 17, 3, 8, 10, 26, and 11 over the past 5 drafts. They did convert pick 17 into Anderson and pick 3 into Rodon, but I'm not sure you would declare either of them successful yet.

Now that the trade spigot has largely run dry, they will have to develop drafted talent to maintain it.

does it matter if they draft or trade for prospects? if it works out, does it matter? trading for young players certainly helped the cubs build this team


It matters in the sense if they can't generate talent through the draft, then they HAVE to create another Sale, Quintana, or Eaton to infuse more talent into the system. If their end goal is winning, its hard to maintain future players if you are trading away your top players.


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I never threatened to fight anyone.
I stated that I would kick his ass. That is not a fight.
Why? Are you going to insult my wife or family?
I hope not. I always expected better from you, Rick.

I'll fight you if you want.

The only thing I want less than a fight is another White Sox World Series,

That's a good boy, Reek

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good dolphin wrote:

Facts are facts.

The only reason you can make your statement without debate is because the Sox are all potential right now. However, the objective fact is that no team has ever had 10 prospects in the top 70.

I don't say that because I have hope that any of them will be better than the guys we traded. I say that because people who are paid to judge have made their decisions on the subject


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/for-petes-sake/article62201902.html

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Revisiting the 2011 list of best-ever farm systems

Here is the list of best farm systems, as rated by Baseball America, from our 2011 baseball section, which I updated to reflect playoff success. I also left the original notes on some of the teams.

1. 2011 Royals (574 points)

Significant names: Eric Hosmer (8), Mike Moustakas (9), Wil Myers (10), John Lamb (18), Mike Montgomery (19), Christian Colon (51), Danny Duffy (68), Jake Odorizzi (69), Chris Dwyer (83).

2. 2006 Diamondbacks (541 points)

Significant names: Justin Upton (2), Stephen Drew (5), Conor Jackson (17), Carlos Quentin (20), Chris Young (23), Carlos Gonzalez (32).

Playoff success: Lost 2007 NLCS, lost 2011 NLDS.


Royals worked out. Good sign.


It is the White Sox fan character to be pessimistic.

I have nothing but feelings of long term doom even with all these good reports.

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good dolphin wrote:

It is the White Sox fan character to be pessimistic.

I have nothing but feelings of long term doom even with all these good reports.

No!
Those are the characteristics of us Cub fans.
Don't try to take that away from us too!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You also could argue that Russell was barely in the Cubs minor league system.


Interesting...where is your cut-off?

Russell played 61 games in the Cubs minor league system and was in the system for 289 days. Moncada played 80 and was in the system for 225 days.

If this is the angle you are going on, the White Sox farm system is still the single worst farm system in the league.
I'm fine with that. I'd say pretty much any player you trade for and makes it to your big league team for good in the next calendar year shouldn't be viewed the same as other guys.

Moncada sucks anyways.

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SteveSarley wrote:
good dolphin wrote:

It is the White Sox fan character to be pessimistic.

I have nothing but feelings of long term doom even with all these good reports.

No!
Those are the characteristics of us Cub fans.
Don't try to take that away from us too!


Well, as a Bears fan I'm always optimistic, except on draft day

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SteveSarley wrote:
good dolphin wrote:

It is the White Sox fan character to be pessimistic.

I have nothing but feelings of long term doom even with all these good reports.

No!
Those are the characteristics of us Cub fans.
Don't try to take that away from us too!

what the fuck is with this "Era of Good Feelings" bullshit? :lol:

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Sox fans are happy winning the "prospect championship." Sad!

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AAA Fulmer has a 5+ ERA in the minors. If he is a top 100 prospect then so am I.


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AAA Fulmer has a 5+ ERA in the minors. If he is a top 100 prospect then so am I.

Another jealous Cub fan comment. Hard to keep track of all of them these days

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Hard to keep track of all of them these days


It's also hard to keep track of all the over hyped Sux players that are stinking it up. They are EVERYWHERE!


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