Depends what you are doing with the rest of the roster. It is tanking if you trade just about every able bodied major league player away.

Ya, it does suck they didn't get the best prospect. But when you're Hahn and just can blame Kenny then who cares.

They are both impenetrable to blame. Both were just ensured lifetime employment

Moncada is a very good prospect, but probably one of the more overrated "#1 prospects in all of baseball" in quite some time. Red Sox certainly sold high in that regard.

KLaw didn't overrate him.

Would you consider it tanking if the team had worse talent readily available at the positions each of those previously mentioned prospects play?

Not their lifetime's though. Jerry's.

Moncada is a very good prospect, but probably one of the more overrated "#1 prospects in all of baseball" in quite some time. Red Sox certainly sold high in that regard.

Were the Cubs then not tanking when they brought up Rizzo during the years of bad?

They can't get much worse. They have been awful with those guys up. Two of those prospects came up last year and were burning an option year this season whether you brought them up or not.

Give both Devers and Moncada 2 full seasons before deciding who is the better player. I remember MANY people projecting Beckham to be a future all-star after his first season.

Neither played enough to burn an option. Both have six years of control starting in 2018.

The Cubs were no longer tanking when they brought up Bryant.

Options and years of control are two different things. Options start burning up once you are on a 40 man roster.

Cubs were no longer tanking when they signed Lester. Who gave up 9 runs today.

It's not either/or..Hahn should have got Devers AND Moncada

It's not either/or..Hahn should have got Devers AND Moncada

Maybe the reason Hahn "settled" for Moncada and Kopech is because Sale's elbow is a ticking time bomb. The second half of each season he's started he's been basically a two-pitch pitcher fastball and change. They didn't allow him throw his wipeout slider because they were so far out of the race. It will be interesting to see how his arm holds up throwing that slider until damn near November this year.

Maybe the reason Hahn "settled" for Moncada and Kopech is because Sale's elbow is a ticking time bomb. The second half of each season he's started he's been basically a two-pitch pitcher fastball and change. They didn't allow him throw his wipeout slider because they were so far out of the race. It will be interesting to see how his arm holds up throwing that slider until damn near November this year.

Bob thinks it was dumb to trade Sale.

Jimenez is the only reason this rebuild might succeed.

Conns, now that they have two of their top three pitching prospects, their top fielding prospect and their top healthy bullpen prospect on the big club, is this still tanking?

If you're not fielding the best possible team in a given year, you're tanking. dolphin, you are just arguing degrees of tanking at this point. If you trade a top 3 pitcher in MLB, you're not trying to field the best team.

If you're not fielding the best possible team in a given year, you're tanking. dolphin, you are just arguing degrees of tanking at this point. If you trade a top 3 pitcher in MLB, you're not trying to field the best team.