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Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
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Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
America wrote:
If you're a Cubs fan you would trade Baez for Eloy no questions asked. Moncada is a bit more blurry, probably a wash.


Not a chance. Baez is an ELITE defender and 5 tool player. Jimenez is a good hitter with power and that is it. Not fast and a below average outfielder. Think Jorge Soler.


Four out of five tools and missing the most important one: .312 career OBP.


Big Billy Beane fan?

He is actually.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
America wrote:
If you're a Cubs fan you would trade Baez for Eloy no questions asked. Moncada is a bit more blurry, probably a wash.


Not a chance. Baez is an ELITE defender and 5 tool player. Jimenez is a good hitter with power and that is it. Not fast and a below average outfielder. Think Jorge Soler.


Four out of five tools and missing the most important one: .312 career OBP.


Big Billy Beane fan?

He is actually.



I am. But I don't think Billy Beane was the first guy to realize that getting on base is good. That was dan bernstein. Just kidding, actually it was revealed Truth given to Earl Weaver by the archangel Gabriel.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:24 am ]
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Keyser Soze wrote:
Baez has been intentionally walked 13 times because he's usually hitting in front of the pitcher. Take those out and his on base is .291
This is a good point.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Baez has been intentionally walked 13 times because he's usually hitting in front of the pitcher. Take those out and his on base is .291
This is a good point.

Not accurate.

If you assume he goes 0-13 in those at bats, he'd be at .299

If you just erase those and pretend they didnt happen, it'd be .309
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:50 am ]
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The point is that he gets walked a lot because he hits in front of the pitcher, and that is skewing his OB%.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The point is that he gets walked a lot because he hits in front of the pitcher, and that is skewing his OB%.

It's not a lot, as I just showed you.
Author:  TurdFerguson [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The point is that he gets walked a lot because he hits in front of the pitcher, and that is skewing his OB%.

It's not a lot, as I just showed you.


To his credit hitting in front of the pitcher is also going to cause the pitch him differently with the pitcher behind him. Moving up in the line up may yield some better pitches to hit.
Author:  Jack [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:22 am ]
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There is very little chance either of these Sox guys turn out better than baez
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:54 am ]
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Jack wrote:
There is very little chance either of these Sox guys turn out better than baez
Hi IMU.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
TurdFerguson wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The point is that he gets walked a lot because he hits in front of the pitcher, and that is skewing his OB%.

It's not a lot, as I just showed you.


To his credit hitting in front of the pitcher is also going to cause the pitch him differently with the pitcher behind him. Moving up in the line up may yield some better pitches to hit.


That he would swing wildly at and miss
Author:  TurdFerguson [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
good dolphin wrote:
TurdFerguson wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
The point is that he gets walked a lot because he hits in front of the pitcher, and that is skewing his OB%.

It's not a lot, as I just showed you.


To his credit hitting in front of the pitcher is also going to cause the pitch him differently with the pitcher behind him. Moving up in the line up may yield some better pitches to hit.


That he would swing wildly at and miss


Well duh we are still talking Javy Baez. Troll Harder.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:25 pm ]
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not trolling when its in my house
Author:  312player [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:44 pm ]
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Jack wrote:
There is very little chance either of these Sox guys turn out better than baez




No doubt, try explaining that to a bunch of ignorant hillbilly White Sox fans.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:58 pm ]
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Baez is mediocre. And don't get butthurt because Theo traded your best prospect for a guy who isn't better than Mike Fiers.
Author:  312player [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:03 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Baez is mediocre. And don't get butthurt because Theo traded your best prospect for a guy who isn't better than Mike Fiers.




I agree Baez is mediocre, but that doesn't change the fact that he's almost guaranteed to be better than moncada or Jimenez. Defending champs don't get " Butthurt" they are coming off a WS and have their division on lockdown buddy.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:06 pm ]
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312player wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Baez is mediocre. And don't get butthurt because Theo traded your best prospect for a guy who isn't better than Mike Fiers.




I agree Baez is mediocre, but that doesn't change the fact that he's almost guaranteed to be better than moncada or Jimenez. Defending champs don't get " Butthurt" they are coming off a WS and have their division on lockdown buddy.



:lol: Based on what? Cub fans look pretty silly saying that Jimenez was a Hall of Famer for two years and suddenly he's traded and he's now never gonna be as good as some clown who can barely get on 30% of the time.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:08 pm ]
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Baez is good. I think Moncada will be a bit better.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Hatchetman wrote:
Baez is good. I think Moncada will be a bit better.


Good at what? The critical art of second base tags?
Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:40 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Baez is good. I think Moncada will be a bit better.


Good at what? The critical art of second base tags?


Really? Javy Baez has no other value?
Author:  Hatchetman [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:21 pm ]
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I don't watch much Cub by my impression is that he is an above average fielder at 3b, SS, 2B. and a league average hitter and a good baserunner. that makes him a good baseball player.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:21 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Baez is good. I think Moncada will be a bit better.


Good at what? The critical art of second base tags?


Really? Javy Baez has no other value?


Yeah, he's a big league player. Nothing remarkable.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:23 pm ]
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he's better than your buddy Dunston.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:33 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.
Author:  denisdman [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:38 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


Jorr, I know you've watched the last few games. Baez made several incredible "steals" of home. He is a very exciting player. He made terrific defensive plays in Monday's game. There's a lot to like in Baez.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


GTFO. Baez is better than Dunston. Dunston wasn't even good.
Author:  Zippy-The-Pinhead [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
denisdman wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


Jorr, I know you've watched the last few games. Baez made several incredible "steals" of home. He is a very exciting player. He made terrific defensive plays in Monday's game. There's a lot to like in Baez.

Cubs version of Nate Robinson.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


GTFO. Baez is better than Dunston. Dunston wasn't even good.


Dunston was a good player. Baez doesn't even have a full season playing everyday.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
denisdman wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


Jorr, I know you've watched the last few games. Baez made several incredible "steals" of home. He is a very exciting player. He made terrific defensive plays in Monday's game. There's a lot to like in Baez.


He's talented and exciting. He just can't get on base.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:48 pm ]
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uh..
Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Will Moncada and Jimenez be better than Baez?
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
he's better than your buddy Dunston.


Not a chance.


GTFO. Baez is better than Dunston. Dunston wasn't even good.


Dunston was a good player. Baez doesn't even have a full season playing everyday.


That's fine if you're arguing sample size, but Dunston was a rocket arm with poor plate discipline and good power. Baez already has more HR's this year than Dunston's career high.
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